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928ram 10-11-2004 03:56 PM

Tax rates and the draft
 
Been busy lately and have caught anywhere near as much news as I like, but I did come across a couple tidbits on tonite's broadcast:

Tax rates: 12.8% on an income of nearly $7mil - J & T Kerry.
That's a lower % than most middle class pay.
The Bush families rate was listed as 30%, income not given.

The draft: some Democrats in this county are determined to re-instate a draft, they practically promise that they will if they can.
Somehow this is going to get the youth in this country to vote for them so they can avoid the draft; exactly how ignorant are the youth in this county???

island911 10-11-2004 04:05 PM

Well yeah .. .Kerry & THK own a large MULTI-NATIONAL BIG BUSINESS. Of course they are hidding their money and ripping-off the little guy.

(read: I would think that John-757-Kerry would give the tree-hugging, WTO-protesting, liberal extremists a bad case of cognitive dissonance. ;)

island911 10-11-2004 04:10 PM

Maybe Kerrys $1000 haircuts make everything cool with them.


Or maybe it was all those war crimes he lays claim to.

:cool:

bryanthompson 10-11-2004 04:29 PM

How about Kerry's personal buttler, Marvin Nicholson.

"When he wants that peanut butter and jelly sandwich, I'm ready," Nicholson told the Times.

Among the items Nicholson carries at all times:

* Loose change - apparently in case the husband of millionairess Teresa Heinz wants to leave one of his notoriously meager tips.

* Tylenol, Advil, Advil Liquid Gels and Advil Sinus pills - lest continuing questions about his Vietnam War record give him a migraine.

* Swedish hand cream - because good old American-made Vaseline Intensive Care just isn't good enough.

* Halls cough drops - in case the silver spoon in Kerry's begins to irritate.

* A Ziplock bag with Kerry's favorite PB & J sandwich wrapped in aluminum foil.

* Scope mouthwash, Handiwipes, two packs of Band-Aids, a sewing kit, a can of diet milkshake [Kerry prefers strawberry], a tube of Blistex and a myriad of other accouterments that the hoi poloi who can't afford a butler must provide for themselves.

And for catering to the candidate's every whim, the fabulously wealthy Heinz-Kerrys pay Nicholson a wildly generous (by Kerry's standards) $45,000 annually.

cegerer 10-11-2004 04:34 PM

Isn't it bad enough that they only pay 12% in taxes - now you want them to report <u>all</u> their income too??? Give the poor couple a friggin' break, they're just trying to help us. ;)

CamB 10-11-2004 04:39 PM

You're mistaking a problem with your tax code as a problem with Kerry.

The problem could, of course, be fixed by taxing people in the Heinz-Kerry's situation more.

ubiquity0 10-11-2004 04:49 PM

Have they released their IRS filings?

I wonder how many other 'investors' in the top tax bracket are able to calculate such a small tax rate? If the tax laws are changed to get people like him to pay a fairer share then that would be bad because it constitutes raising taxes :rolleyes:

ubiquity0 10-11-2004 04:49 PM

Have they released their IRS filings?

I wonder how many other 'investors' in the top tax bracket are able to calculate such a small tax rate? If the tax laws are changed to get people like him to pay a fairer share then that would be bad because it constitutes raising taxes :rolleyes:

He might even need to lay off his butler if that happened.

jyl 10-11-2004 05:02 PM

Well, if most of their income is long-term capital gains and dividend income, which seems likely, then they'd legitimately have a low tax rate. Especially after the tax rate on dividends was cut (by Bush) and considering that even in 2003 many investors had long-term capital losses to offset their gains. The tax system treats investment gains and investment income much more favorably than ordinary wage income.

jyl 10-11-2004 05:28 PM

Okay, since everyone has their shorts in a twist about this (and since I am sitting in an airport, time on my hands) I did some looking.

For 2003, John Kerry had $395,000 in taxable income. His income includes $96,000 from a book and $175,000 in capital gains; I assume the rest is his Senate salary which is around $140,000, I think. He donated $44K to charity. He paid a 24% effective tax rate. I'm no tax accountant, but considering that his capital gains could have received a 15% rate, and the charitable donation, 24% doesn't sound strange.

For 2003, Teresa Kerry had over $5 million in taxable income and an appx 12% effective tax rate. I would think most or all of her income comes from investments, either dividends or capital gains. Since dividends and long-term capital gains are taxed at a low rate, a low effective tax rate wouldn't be surprising.

No question, Mrs. Kerry is wealthy. But, frankly, a lot of politicians are wealthy. In 1997 George Bush reported income of $18 million. I don't even want to know the Governor of California's income . . .

Again, investment income gets taxed at a much more favorable rate than wage income. That's one way the wealthy . . . stay wealthy. Not that there's anything wrong with that, I'd like to be there too.

bryanthompson 10-11-2004 05:32 PM

Is his allowance from Teresa included in there?

And... Schwarzenegger rejected his salary for being Governator, FYI.

jyl 10-11-2004 08:58 PM

Are you kidding - Ahnold wouldn't even notice his salary for being Governor. Its. oh, about 1.5 of his custom Hummers.


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