Democrat declares that the "war is lost"

[Turbo_pro]

Harry Reid, senate majority leader, opens his pie hole and farts. Diarrhea of the mouth that *****s on our troops.
"I believe ... that this war is lost, and this surge is not accomplishing anything, as is shown by the extreme violence in Iraq this week," Reid

What a DICK. I get that the democrat's presidential power grab hinged on America perceived loss in Iraq but to aid the enemy with a proclamation of surrender is treason.
Argue your points and gather support for a change if you must, but aiding in the defeat of out troops can't be justified Claiming to be misunderstood won't fly this time.

This guy is a f*cking A** hole and with any justice has seen his last term. We need serious people to at least try to remedy our nations problems and this fool has lost his way and his mind.

{Edit}
Please forgive my language, this time I am angered beyond control.

[MichiganMat]

So.... in your view, how does one properly oppose the Presidents hugely unpopular war effort then?

[Turbo_pro]

It seems to me that any effort that does not aid the enemy is fair. Damaging the morale of our troops serves no reasonable purpose. The goal should be to offer solutions to make things better, not yelling "the sky is falling, everyone run."
Imagine the head lines on Al Jazeera today.
Come join the winning team. American leaders declare "the war is lost," long live Jihad!!!!!

[Turbo_pro]

Originally posted by MichiganMat
So.... in your view, how does one properly oppose the Presidents hugely unpopular war effort then?

If popularity was the measure of a war worth fighting, history
would show us that no war is worth fighting.
After a few years reasonable people weary of war. It grinds on the soul. Tiring of the battle makes it no less just.
The worthy struggle is often the hardest fought.

[TheMentat]

Originally posted by MichiganMat
So.... in your view, how does one properly oppose the Presidents hugely unpopular war effort then?

whaddya mean? why would anybody want to do that?

[techweenie]

I don't agree with Reid.

We won the war to topple Saddam.

We are losing the occupation.

The supposed 'war on terror' is going as well as the 'war on drugs,' 'the war on pornography' and the'war on illiteracy.'

[MichiganMat]

Many have argued that this is not a war that can be won militarily and that the presence of our military in Iraq is actually working against success.

[MichiganMat]

There was a really great series on PBS last night called "America at the Crossroads"

http://www.pbs.org/weta/crossroads/

The two episodes I saw were really eye-opening and kinda sad at the same time. After seeing the internal struggles of Islam with its extremist and fundamentalist sects, Im not sure America has any chance of success in this "war" we're waging.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

[KFC911]

Originally posted by techweenie
...The supposed 'war on terror' is going as well as the 'war on drugs,' 'the war on pornography' and the'war on illiteracy.'

They are all "unwinnable" (is that a word) in the traditional sense imo. A wise president would not declare a war that cannot be won...BUT it made such a good macho PR image at the time . I would not necessarily say that we have lost (in public), but we certainly cannot win militarily, so how long should this "stalemate" continue?

[Turbo_pro]

Originally posted by techweenie
......edit...... The supposed 'war on terror' is going as well as the 'war on drugs,' 'the war on pornography' and the'war on illiteracy.'

The war on terror is what it is.
The war in Iraq is an attempt to place military bases in the heart of the worlds most unstable region.
If you believe as Bush does that Iraq and Iran are part of an axis of evil, then taking out Saddam and putting troops on the boarder of Iran makes complete sense. Imagine if the US would have put troops in Poland in 1939.

Nato the the right of me, US to the left, here I am stuck in the middle with who? do do do do do do do

Remember when we put Pershing missiles in Europe the world erupted. Especially liberals in europe.
Now the liberals are erupting again.

Back to the point: Harry Reid is a STUPID, SELF ABSORBED DICK for giving aid and comfort to the enemy, PERIOD.

[svandamme]

since when is it wrong to state the obvious?

[Moneyguy1]

All Reid did was vocalize what the majority of Americans think. It is the President's job to prove him and the majority of Americans wrong.

I am waiting.

[hytem]

What war? You mean the war we won against Saddam?

Right now, what is going on over there isn't "our war."
The Congress is just as screwed up about Iraq as Bush is.
What a mess. Vietnam deja vu.

[HardDrive]

I find this thread perplexing. Mr. Reid is pointing out what is obvious to all. We have failed to deliver a unified, stable Iraq. And no amount of military might will make that happen at this point.

And what is all of this 'aiding the enemy' sillyness? Do you think anyone is buying that tired chicken hawk old rhetoric anymore? Get real.

Come to grips with our failure, and lets start looking for the best solution to extracate ourselves.

[dd74]

Originally posted by MichiganMat
There was a really great series on PBS last night called "America at the Crossroads"

http://www.pbs.org/weta/crossroads/

The two episodes I saw were really eye-opening and kinda sad at the same time. After seeing the internal struggles of Islam with its extremist and fundamentalist sects, Im not sure America has any chance of success in this "war" we're waging.

I also watched this program. It is inspiring how Indonesia can somewhat deal with the Fundamentalists who threaten to topple the country's relationship between moderate Islam and Democracy. How they approach the radicals by saying this is "a country of laws" instead of appeasing them outright or fighting them, gives the radicals no credible platform within the mainstream population. Comparisons were made to the U.S. and its war in Iraq, but really, where the U.S. can learn from Indonesia is in its dealings with the Christian Right and its ability to infiltrate our laws. It seems as if both the U.S. and Indonesia are on parallel paths in this regard.

[livi]

I´ll just leave this debate to you natives, shall I. My main stream European opinion is probably obvious anyway.

[dd74]

Originally posted by livi
I´ll just leave this debate to you natives, shall I. My main stream European opinion is probably obvious anyway.

And what's that mainstream Euro opinion? That the war is lost? That we should have never allowed ourselves into this situation? European opinion aside, that is also a mainstream American opinion.

[svandamme]

yeh, but you guys aren't at ease with those concepts yet, just dabbling with it , bit of denial going on

[techweenie]

Originally posted by dd74
And what's that mainstream Euro opinion? That the war is lost? That we should have never allowed ourselves into this situation? European opinion aside, that is also a mainstream American opinion.

But... but... we can still hate France, can't we?