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tabs 08-06-2008 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa (Post 4104845)
what utter bull***** nonsense. sorry, you get an F.
Then please explain to me why Bob Dylan was not a leader..At Newport he was booed for going electric. Two years later everybody was electric.

Explain to me why people in Lincolns own cabinet thought he was a monkey

Shaun @ Tru6 08-06-2008 10:37 AM
I'll make this simple: Leaders whose followers leave them, aren't leaders.

tabs 08-06-2008 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by RPKESQ (Post 4104906)
Every generation sees the sky is falling, "sea changes" are seldom recognizable during the change, only afterwards. Look through history, every culture, every generation, every nation saw the same. Every election has been touted as "the" most important in recent memory. BS. Human nature has not changed in all of recorded history. Cultures change mostly for the good, but the dynamics of politics have not changed.

The only change we need to accept is that the US is not able to stand alone against the rest of the world (we never could). We are no longer the only gorillia in the room. This is the change for the 21st Century. And the POTUS wil need to embrace that change. McCain cannot. Who knows about Obama.


Writing in the Financial Times, Greenspan called the current crisis -- which started a year ago -- a once or twice in a century event and said insolvency would only end once U.S. house prices stabilized, underpinning mortgage-backed securities.

The Great Depression was the last such sea change.

tabs 08-06-2008 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa (Post 4105295)
I'll make this simple: Leaders whose followers leave them, aren't leaders.
You did NOT explain Bob Dylan...who is an example of a leader who was BOOOED...and then followed once again as never before...If you can not explain then you need to rethink your proposition.

Dottore 08-06-2008 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 4105305)
You did NOT explain Bob Dylan...who is an example of a leader who was BOOOED...and then followed once again as never before...If you can not explain then you need to rethink your proposition.
Huge Dylan fan here. But I wouldn't make too much of Newport. Yes he was booed, but in his autobiography he says that he only went electric because he liked the sound. It wasn't really this mythical break with the folk movement that he was after. He just liked the sound, and wanted to distance himself from the Peter, Paul and Mary crowd a bit—which turned out to be a smart career move.

Dylan a leader of men? I don't think so.

The more I've learned about Dylan the more elusive the guy becomes. That seems also to be the take of the two most recent bio-pics about the guy. Some days I think he's the greatest charlatan in the history of music. Still I can think of no one I'd rather have a few drinks with.

tabs 08-06-2008 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Dottore (Post 4105328)
He just liked the sound, and wanted to distance himself from.....

Dylan a leader of men? I don't think so.

The more I've learned about Dylan the more elusive the guy becomes. That seems also to be the take of the two most recent bio-pics about the guy. Some days I think he's the greatest charlatan in the history of music. Still I can think of no one I'd rather have a few drinks with.
A leader in thinking, in paticular music?

He just liked the sound and wanted to distance himself from the conventional...And here is an example of a guy leading musicians without even having formulated a plan...

tabs 08-06-2008 11:10 AM
Do you think that Van Gogh was a bit ahead of his time..Van Gogh never even sold a painting.

Dottore 08-06-2008 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 4105358)
A leader in thinking, in paticular music?

He just liked the sound and wanted to distance himself from the conventional...And here is an example of a guy leading musicians without even having formulated a plan...
Maybe. Possibly. But I don't see him that way any more. I think he always just did what he wanted and somehow hit the zeitgeist. Maybe there's a kind of random leadership in that.

Shaun @ Tru6 08-06-2008 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 4105305)
You did NOT explain Bob Dylan...who is an example of a leader who was BOOOED...and then followed once again as never before...If you can not explain then you need to rethink your proposition.
oh please! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

homey don't play that game.

tabs 08-06-2008 11:32 AM
Dear Shauny..yur thinking is too static...

tabs 08-06-2008 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Dottore (Post 4105375)
Maybe. Possibly. But I don't see him that way any more. I think he always just did what he wanted and somehow hit the zeitgeist. Maybe there's a kind of random leadership in that.
Dylan did wind up representing the Zeitgeist of the time as its personification...however he knew by some process exactly where it was...he listened to a little voice inside of himself and trusted that voice...

Neil Young alludes to the same thing.

Shaun @ Tru6 08-06-2008 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 4105424)
Dear Shauny..yur thinking is too static...
no, I just know the definition of a leader, and while your Hallmark card synopsis sounded nice, it was fraught with logic holes that you could drive a semi through.

tabs 08-07-2008 01:36 PM
I'm tired, does somebody else wana argue with Shauny.

Shaun @ Tru6 08-07-2008 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 4107767)
I'm tired, does somebody else wana argue with Shauny.
get back to the quality of your older missives and no one will get hurt.

dhoward 08-07-2008 01:42 PM
Ralph Macchio didn't really play the guitar in that movie. It was Stave Vai.

tabs 08-07-2008 01:42 PM
Geezus Shauny U were laying in the weeds for me on this one...

tabs 08-07-2008 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by dhoward (Post 4107783)
Ralph Macchio didn't really play the guitar in that movie. It was Stave Vai.

And your wrong it was Ry Cooder...

tabs 08-07-2008 01:46 PM
DOTTIE...listen to Desolation Row on Highway 61......"I rearrange all their faces and give them another name." He is telling you exactly what he is doing.

dhoward 08-07-2008 01:54 PM
Pretty sure you're right for the slide stuff. Head cuttin' I believe was pretty much all Vai.
Combination of the two.
A tie.

tabs 08-07-2008 01:56 PM
Shauny, what qualities seperates a leader from the herd? Leadership by commitee is called a mob.


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