Now that's a shame .......

[TerryH]

I have zero compassion for someone that has so little regard for life. That this person deserved to die and somehow we are all supposed to feel better and the world is a better place because she died.

Yes, I could have ignored this thread, but I'm enjoying reading your insight.

[nynor]

apparently, you aren't listening. and you are a hypocrite. preach on.

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by nynor

to answer this question in a word, no. no sympathy. empathy, yes. sympathy, no. sympathy twists the relationship in an unhealthy way. empathy allows for compassion of their suffering, but also allows the other person to be responsible for their actions.

So you have an identification with and understanding of another's situation, feelings, and motives (definition of empathy), but no feeling or an expression of pity or sorrow for the distress of that person; no compassion or commiseration (definition of sympathy)?

If that's the case, I think you have no business "working with the mentally ill", and suspect that your employer, if a certified mental health professional, would agree if they were aware of your perspective.

[nynor]

nope, i don't pity them. that is a bad position. and yes i do make an effort to understand their situation, etc. pity will not help them. pity only makes them more dependent upon the system. do i think it is unfortunate that people suffer? of course! people do not need pity, they need objective HELP. pity is not helping them. do you enjoy being pitied? does it help you to know that people pity you?

empathy allows for an understanding of their predicament. sympathy enables it.

[Heel n Toe]

Originally Posted by nynor

do i think it is unfortunate that people suffer? of course! people do not need pity, they need objective HELP. pity is not helping them. do you enjoy being pitied? does it help you to know that people pity you?

empathy allows for an understanding of their predicament. sympathy enables it.

Exactly. And Smith's predicament could have been caused partly by her own volition re: she could have been off her meds against her doctor's instruction.

Those of you who are attacking nynor should remember that in an earlier post, he said, "i would have tried to help her if i was there, but i wouldn't have stuck around to be burnt up with her."

There should be no complaints about his position, or his ability to treat and care for mentally ill patients.

[TerryH]

Originally Posted by Heel n Toe

Exactly. And Smith's predicament could have been caused partly by her own volition re: she could have been off her meds against her doctor's instruction.

Those of you who are attacking nynor should remember that in an earlier post, he said, "i would have tried to help her if i was there, but i wouldn't have stuck around to be burnt up with her."

There should be no complaints about his position, or his ability to treat and care for mentally ill patients.

So the emphasised and reaffirmed use of "good riddance" is what you'd expect from a caregiver when a mentally ill patient expires unnecessarily? Even if he is elated by her agonizing death, does he have to share that here? Does she represent one less patient he may have to change the bedpan for?

nynor stated he has his own agenda regarding the mentally ill.

[Rikao4]

well what if she had not died..what if she
killed the other woman and driven of to lunch..
now who are we feeling sorry or compassion for..? Now it's.supervise the med intake..
she should not be driving,she should in a ward,

oh the woman she tried to kill also had a sister, Mom..
they tried, she choose toast.

Rika

[legion]

My father was and my sister is bi-polar.

Having a mental illness does not relieve a person of culpability for their actions. My father used to intentionally binge and purge with his medications (not taking any for a while, then taking large doses) to cause medical emergencies and get sympathy from people. He would "punish" those close to him by putting himself in the hospital and blaming others for the actions he took to put him there. The ways he compromised his body were a contributing factor in his death. No matter what those around him did, he always found fault and felt the need to punish them--it just took progressively more severe "emergencies" to get the same reactions from people.

My sister was very resistant to taking medication when she was first diagnosed as bi-polar (15 or so years ago). She has been taking her medication religously for the past ten years and she functions normally. In fact, very few of her close friends know that she is bi-polar, and that is not an issue because she is in control of the disease.

[sammyg2]

To sum it up:
This nutcase who didn't take her medication (speculated) and tried to run over another woman and who threatened those who tried to help is really the victim here.
The blame falls squarely on the lady who flashed her lights and the on-lookers who didn't risk their lives to save her against her will.
Hopefully the family will sue the other lady, the onlookers, the doctor, the department of motor vehicles for giving her a license, the tire manufactuer, the car manufacturer, the fire department for not getting there quicker, and anyone else within 2 miles at the time of the incident. They all deserve to ber punished.

Compassion is a good thing until it clouds reason and logic.

[Palum6o]

This is a bizarre and sad story. It just goes to show how crazy some people are out there. The past couple weeks we heard about the guy getting beaten with a hammer and nobody helping, one of our own witnessed a car getting stolen without saying a word and here a woman burnt to death because of her mental state even when people tried removing her from the car.

That's it, I'm buying a gun.

[nynor]

Originally Posted by TerryH

So the emphasised and reaffirmed use of "good riddance" is what you'd expect from a caregiver when a mentally ill patient expires unnecessarily? Even if he is elated by her agonizing death, does he have to share that here? Does she represent one less patient he may have to change the bedpan for?

nynor stated he has his own agenda regarding the mentally ill.

hmm... where did i state that i was elated? and where did i state that i have my own agenda?

despite your personal attacks, i would still care for you and give you the best care possible. would i feel sorry for you? no. would i have compassion for your condition and do the best i could to make you comfortable? yes.

but this is the kind of verbal abuse you dish out, on the internet, when someone has a different position than you. i have yet to cut you off, or ram your car, yet you would have us believe that you are somehow superior and/or enlightened. take care, terryh.

[berettafan]

Originally Posted by TerryH

Unless a person somehow chooses to be mentally ill, I see them as a victim.

Agreed.

They (women) are ALL a little bit crazy inside but this is a horribly sad story.

[Hugh R]

sort of like the dumb b!tch who weaved in and out of traffic this morning with no use of turn signals. I eventually drove by her and yells "Turn signal you dumb ******** b!tch! She flipped me off. No sympathy, no empathy.