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cgarr 12-10-2008 09:59 AM

Genius move by Ford
 
Marketing move of the Century. Ford tags along with all the other losers begging for money to stay in business making it look really bad then says “Stuff it” We don’t need your money, were just fine. Well, who are you going to buy a car from now? The two losers left standing or the one back building cars.

TerryH 12-10-2008 10:44 AM

This morning we have Ford's a genius and Ford's a moron threads on page one.

KFC911 12-10-2008 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by cgarr (Post 4352268)
Marketing move of the Century. Ford tags along with all the other losers begging for money to stay in business making it look really bad then says “Stuff it” We don’t need your money, were just fine. Well, who are you going to buy a car from now? The two losers left standing or the one back building cars.

None of 'em! Was Ford "lying through their teeth" begging for taxpayers' money a few weeks ago :(.?

trekkor 12-10-2008 10:58 AM

Ford F-Series trucks are not going anywhere.


KT

KFC911 12-10-2008 11:00 AM

Actually, I have an F-150 and couldn't do without it...

trekkor 12-10-2008 11:10 AM

Real genius would be lowering the prices so the vehicles are more affordable.


KT

trekkor 12-10-2008 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 4352402)
Actually, I have an F-150 and couldn't do without it...

Exactly what I meant. They have sold *zillions* and will continue to do so.
My F-350 diesel dominates...


KT

ruf-porsche 12-10-2008 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trekkor (Post 4352429)
Real genius would be lowering the prices so the vehicles are more affordable.


KT


Maybe if they were made in CHINA they will be more affordable.

Z-man 12-10-2008 11:14 AM

Anyone have a link to this news?

It does appear that Ford is the strongest of the US automakers, from a financial point...

-Z

trekkor 12-10-2008 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruf-porsche (Post 4352433)
Maybe if they were made in CHINA they will be more affordable.

There is a strong likelihood that most of the parts already are...

I'm guessing.


What makes a new F350 diesel cost $45k plus?


KT

Seahawk 12-10-2008 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 4352402)
Actually, I have an F-150 and couldn't do without it...

Neither can my daughter...she turns 16 in a week and a half and will be driving soon. I asked if she wanted to drive my 325i or the F150 on a regular basis.

F150.

That's my girl:)

ruf-porsche 12-10-2008 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trekkor (Post 4352448)
There is a strong likelihood that most of the parts already are...

I'm guessing.


What makes a new F350 diesel cost $45k plus?


KT


Salaries and BENEFITS for the united auto workers that assemble the truck.

trekkor 12-10-2008 11:25 AM

My F350 was $32k back in '01.

Have things changed that much?


KT

the 12-10-2008 11:28 AM

I love this one!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1228845528.jpg

jyl 12-10-2008 11:28 AM

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a55Xzqbtn7Zk

near the bottom

but Ford always said they did not need a loan or bailout, they were/are looking for a backup (standby credit) in case GM or Chrysler failed which would drive many of the parts makers out of biz.

Ford is in the best shape of the three by far - think its silly to make Mullay work for $1 - if not for his action to raise $30BN shortly after he took over (about 2 yrs ago) Ford would be gone by now, and none of the past decades' mistakes were his.

Z-man 12-10-2008 11:42 AM

If Ford doesn't take on the loan, it would be a very bold move on their part.

If Mullay indeed does work for $1 in 2009 (and doesn't get any other perks like stock options and bonuses) then that would show the workers at Ford that he is serious about his plans. So I believe that the $1 salary thing is more for the Ford workers and to boost morale within the company than anything else.

I own a Ford Explorer Sport Trac - it is my daily driver and tow vehicle. If Ford actually goes through with such plans, I would not hesitate to buy another Ford. To tow my next Porsche to the track! :)

-Z-man.

strupgolf 12-10-2008 02:49 PM

If my wife's new job comes through, I'll be looking at the entire Ford line up. She love GM, but it might be hard to follow them down. The UAW says that their salaries and benefits only add about 10% to the cost of a car is so bull**** its funny. To hell with the UAW.

Noah930 12-10-2008 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by strupgolf (Post 4352846)
The UAW says that their salaries and benefits only add about 10% to the cost of a car is so bull**** its funny. To hell with the UAW.

Perhaps we should restructure the UAW contracts, such that from now on, they only receive 10% of the selling price the car/truck. See if they are willing to take that offer. However they wish to divy up the money amongst themselves (wages, healthcare, retirement savings, retirement healthcare, etc.) is their business. Car sells for $30K, then the UAW gets $3K. UAW then administers all pay/benefits to UAW members. I wonder how that math works out, compared to the deal they've got going, now.

Porsche_monkey 12-10-2008 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruf-porsche (Post 4352459)
Salaries and BENEFITS for the united auto workers that assemble the truck.

You sure about that?

ruf-porsche 12-10-2008 03:17 PM

Honda, Toyota and BMW has factories in the States, but I don't see them asking for monies for a bailout. Why? They are all non union shop.


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