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lendaddy 04-10-2009 06:24 PM

"To be honest...."
 
I have a buddy that claims this phrase is not acceptable, that it implies everything previously said was not honest. I say it's just a common phrase meaning "without sugar coating it".

What say you? Do you take it literal or what?

futuresoptions 04-10-2009 06:33 PM

I use it quite a bit... but not to prove that I am honest with those I speak to, but to set them up for the truth that may hurt their ego / feelings... I would hope that more people would be frank with me when I ask questions versus some of the answers that I receive.. sometimes I can be super brilliant, and at other times I am as dumb as a box of rocks...

old man neri 04-10-2009 06:40 PM

There are a lot of phrases in the English language that don't make sense if you pick them apart. "All but done" WTF does that really mean. The list is endless.

I think 'to be honest' implies that you were not lying before but now you are going to say everything in an unrestrained manner. Not going to hold anything back. Or you are not saying the company line but stating your own thoughts.

exitwound 04-10-2009 06:56 PM

yeah. "to be honest" is a setup for what's coming, an emphasis that you're being honest even if it's going to hurt their feelings.

VaSteve 04-10-2009 06:57 PM

It's a verbal crutch of some sort.

I used to have a friend that would start the most person, invasive questions with "If you don't mind my asking..." Followed by "how much do you make?" "what ever happened to your girlfriend?" etc

gprsh924 04-10-2009 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by old man neri (Post 4599832)
There are a lot of phrases in the English language that don't make sense if you pick them apart. "All but done" WTF does that really mean. The list is endless.

I think 'to be honest' implies that you were not lying before but now you are going to say everything in an unrestrained manner. Not going to hold anything back. Or you are not saying the company line but stating your own thoughts.

This is how I use it. I am not implying that anything I said before was anything less than the truth, just that this current statement might be painful.

gassy 04-10-2009 07:15 PM

I had a co-worker who would always say "I'll see if we can't get that done for you" to requests from clients. Drove me nuts.

Monza_dh 04-10-2009 07:25 PM

"to be honest with you" is a major no-no at my company. If you are on a sales call with any managers and say it your are on the shtt list and will get called out by the VP. I used to use it but now never do after working it out of my vocabulary. Now when I hear it I cringe as well.

cgarr 04-10-2009 07:43 PM

Its kind of like "new and improved"

m21sniper 04-10-2009 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by lendaddy (Post 4599814)
I have a buddy that claims this phrase is not acceptable, that it implies everything previously said was not honest. I say it's just a common phrase meaning "without sugar coating it".

What say you? Do you take it literal or what?

I agree with your interpetation.

red-beard 04-10-2009 08:37 PM

My ex-wife was the queen of mixed metaphors.

Her best was....

Quote:


I don't give two $hits to the wind...


Porsche-O-Phile 04-10-2009 09:35 PM

The one that gets me is "irregardless". It's not a word. "Regardless" is a word. "Irregardless" is a made-up meaningless bunch of foo.

bonkers 04-11-2009 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile (Post 4600079)
The one that gets me is "irregardless". It's not a word. "Regardless" is a word. "Irregardless" is a made-up meaningless bunch of foo.

It's also a double-negative and a good reason to slap the utterer silly with a wet kipper.

"This word... I do no think it means wha you think it means."

DARISC 04-11-2009 12:49 AM

Fcuk you! Get fcuked!...........WTF?

mattdavis11 04-11-2009 12:57 AM

"To be honest, I voted "O"."

jeffgrant 04-11-2009 12:57 AM

I generally take it to be a shortened version of "to be BRUTALLY honest", in other words, "prepare yourself to hear some stuff that you're not going to like".

einreb 04-11-2009 06:26 AM

"The fact of the matter is..." makes me want to punch the person saying it.

TerryH 04-11-2009 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffgrant (Post 4600245)
I generally take it to be a shortened version of "to be BRUTALLY honest", in other words, "prepare yourself to hear some stuff that you're not going to like".

Yes, you have to interject an adverb there, so it doesn't mean you weren't honest prior, but instead you're not sugar coating the honesty now.

Noah930 04-11-2009 07:43 AM

Funny/ironic. There are a couple people I know who, when they start with the phrase "To be honest..." means it's time to get the waders out, because that's when their BS starts.

the 04-11-2009 09:59 AM

I guess it depends on the context.

I'd agree, if you are using it as a preface for something that is going to hurt someone's feelings, or similar, it's ok.

But that's not how most people use it. Most use it to preface the lie they are about to tell you.

scottmandue 04-11-2009 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exitwound (Post 4599851)
yeah. "to be honest" is a setup for what's coming, an emphasis that you're being honest even if it's going to hurt their feelings.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gprsh924 (Post 4599863)
This is how I use it. I am not implying that anything I said before was anything less than the truth, just that this current statement might be painful.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffgrant (Post 4600245)
I generally take it to be a shortened version of "to be BRUTALLY honest", in other words, "prepare yourself to hear some stuff that you're not going to like".


This is how I use it also... but then my dad taught me "if you always tell the truth you don't have to keep track of what you said."

911Rob 04-11-2009 12:35 PM

salesman 101: Don't use the phrase, period.

AndyK! 04-11-2009 12:47 PM

My favorite verbal clutch is "per se". I have a co-worker uses the phrase in just about every sentence and in the wrong context, per se.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/suppo...s/a_frusty.gif

techweenie 04-11-2009 12:52 PM

"Well, to be honest, our Extended Warranty program is a ripoff."

Heel n Toe 04-11-2009 01:06 PM

I basically ignore it... I think it's a throwaway and I don't think many people pay attention to what they say or how it may be perceived anyway.

Another version of it that is a little less goofy-sounding would be when someone says something like, "Honestly, Bob, I can't think of anyone I'd rather work with on this project."

I guess it is also similar to the use of "seriously" in the same situation.

Or "personally," as in "Personally, Bob, I can't think of anyone I'd rather work with on this project."

In agreement with whoever mentioned it on page 1, I also find "the fact of the matter is" to be a totally useless waste of breath and time.

I also find the use of the word "actually" in every other sentence to be very annoying.

"Hey Matt, are you guys coming out to Andy's gig tonight?"

"Actually, we were planning to, but we just remembered that we had already committed to go to this dinner with Bonnie's sister."

"Cool... y'all have fun. You know the band is gonna be releasing their new CD tonight... do you want me to pick one up for you?"

"Actually, yes... that would be great... I may call you tomorrow morning."

"Okay."

"Actually, we're planning to hit some garage sales near you... would it be okay if we drop by around 11 to get it?"

And on and on and on and on... :)

Monza_dh 04-11-2009 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 911rob (Post 4600968)
salesman 101: Don't use the phrase, period.

+1

scottmandue 04-11-2009 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 911Rob (Post 4600968)
salesman 101: Don't be honest, period.

Fixed it for you. :D:p;)

Zeke 04-11-2009 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monza_dh (Post 4599890)
"to be honest with you" is a major no-no at my company. If you are on a sales call with any managers and say it your are on the shtt list and will get called out by the VP. I used to use it but now never do after working it out of my vocabulary. Now when I hear it I cringe as well.

I agree with the crutch theory or that it's a conversational pause to say now you're going to say something meaningful.

But having so much control over each person's speech is weird to me. Everywhere I go I hear, "No problem." I'm told that in customer service, this is the same as a double negative as in two negative terms bound together.

Yes, I'm tired of hearing it, but someone saying that to me on the phone has never affected my willingness to do business with this person or company as long as there are no problems.

At least "honest" is a positive word. "Can't" certainly is not.


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