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peppy 06-01-2009 08:13 AM

Law Enforcement ?
 
Is it normal for the police to ask for you social security number?

I call the local police about an intoxicated patron in my restaurant. After he arrested her he asked me for my name, social, dob, and address. I gave him my drivers license number and he ran my license to try and get my social. He did all of this over the police radio, he gave my DOB, drivers license number, my address and wanted my social.

Is this crazy or is it me?

Jeff Higgins 06-01-2009 08:27 AM

It is supposed to be illegal to use our SSN's for anything outside of business involving the Social Security Administration. It's supposed to be illegal to even ask for it.

"Supposed to be" and "is" are two different things. Here in Washington, for example, the Department of Fish and Wildlife asks for it when purchasing a hunting or fishing license, obstensibly to track "deadbeat dads" that have skipped out on child support payments. Apparently, that must free up more time to hunt and fish...

Your SSN has already become a defacto lifetime serial number, used for tracking virtually everything you do. I'm surprised we don't have to get it tattooed somewhere, and a microchip injected with it coded. For our "safety", don'tcha know...

onlycafe 06-01-2009 08:34 AM

i always give nixons number. 567-68-0515.

m21sniper 06-01-2009 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by onlycafe (Post 4695298)
i always give nixons number. 567-68-0515.

<--- Jots the number down for future use. ;)

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Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins (Post 4695279)
It is supposed to be illegal to use our SSN's for anything outside of business involving the Social Security Administration. It's supposed to be illegal to even ask for it.

"Supposed to be" and "is" are two different things. Here in Washington, for example, the Department of Fish and Wildlife asks for it when purchasing a hunting or fishing license, obstensibly to track "deadbeat dads" that have skipped out on child support payments. Apparently, that must free up more time to hunt and fish...

Your SSN has already become a defacto lifetime serial number, used for tracking virtually everything you do. I'm surprised we don't have to get it tattooed somewhere, and a microchip injected with it coded. For our "safety", don'tcha know...

Cop hater.

widebody911 06-01-2009 09:10 AM

I was watching an episode of COPS where they pulled someone over, and digitally erased out the guy's license plate, but didn't alter the audio where the cop calls in the the plate over the radio...

Porsche-O-Phile 06-01-2009 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by onlycafe (Post 4695298)
i always give nixons number. 567-68-0515.

Good to know. :)

The Gaijin 06-01-2009 09:33 AM

123-45-6789

Gogar 06-01-2009 10:19 AM

314-15-9265

KevinP73 06-01-2009 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by onlycafe (Post 4695298)
i always give nixons number. 567-68-0515.

Give that number to any cop and you'll likely be adding identity theft to the ticket you were going to get.

speeder 06-01-2009 11:22 AM

I would never give out my SS# to anyone who was not legally entitled to it. I'd love to get arrested for not providing my SS# to a cop. Couldn't wait to see the penal code for that.

KevinP73 06-01-2009 11:29 AM

I recall a time when if you were writing a check for almost anything the store would require your SS# as part of the process or they wouldn't take your check.

Mo_Gearhead 06-01-2009 11:44 AM

Nixon? Oh geez, that's soooo last decade.

Todd Davis, CEO of LifeLock ...go with it!

GH85Carrera 06-01-2009 12:01 PM

I am not an attorney and I did not even sleep at Holiday Inn recently but.....

My understanding is the ONLY places that you MUST give your SSN to is your employer and your bank. Any other request you can deny. I recently went to my Dr.s office and they asked me again, I told them it was 555-55-5555. That was enough to keep the billing computer happy, as if I care.

peppy 06-01-2009 12:30 PM

I was not the one in trouble. I am the one that called to police to have the drunk removed.

Why would the police broadcast all of a persons personal information over the radio.

968rz 06-01-2009 12:33 PM

I agree with the rest, My SSN never gets given out and NO; the cops have no reason to even ask for it, that's what the drivers lic is for.

Joeaksa 06-01-2009 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 4695701)
I would never give out my SS# to anyone who was not legally entitled to it. I'd love to get arrested for not providing my SS# to a cop. Couldn't wait to see the penal code for that.

Same here and totally agree.

Our frigging "Sheriff Joe Arpaio" here in Phoenix tried for several months to do a DNA test on anyone pulled over or stopped for ANYTHING.

It was finally ruled as illegal and all data expunged from the system. Look up the Social Security Admin rules and the SSN is never supposed to be used for any identification purposes.

968rz 06-01-2009 01:36 PM

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all data expunged from the system
Right:rolleyes:
Just like the deleted juvenile records that they always mention in detail when you're an adult.

Pazuzu 06-01-2009 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by peppy (Post 4695856)
I was not the one in trouble. I am the one that called to police to have the drunk removed.

Are you sure? You own/manage a place where someone was sold alcohol until they were inebriated, and the police were called.

Are you *sure* you're not getting in trouble?

RWebb 06-01-2009 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinP73 (Post 4695550)
Give that number to any cop and you'll likely be adding identity theft to the ticket you were going to get.

Do this:

When he asks for it - refuse. If he persists, THEN say "Why don't you try 567-68-0515?"

You will have an iron-tight defense - be SURE to record the conversation for your lawyer to use as evidence.

KevinP73 06-01-2009 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 4696231)
Do this:

When he asks for it - refuse. If he persists, THEN say "Why don't you try 567-68-0515?"

You will have an iron-tight defense - be SURE to record the conversation for your lawyer to use as evidence.

Why is that?


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