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Tim Hancock 03-27-2010 03:36 PM

Finally got it mounted and setup. Made a Lexan primer explosion guard and then attempted to load a few rounds. I immediately had primer issues and was really perplexed till I found out that some of my once fired Walamrt Winchester White Box 9mm cases were headstamped WCC instead of WIN. I found out that Walmart on occasion is getting shipped the WCC stuff which is Winchester's military brass which has crimped in primers. Luckily most of my once fired brass is Federal and it runs fine. After looking thru all my brass and ammo, it looks like I have about 500 of the WCC brass and I made a tool to fix them and it works great.

Today being the hardcore DIY'er (and a cheap b@stard), I built a vibratory brass tumbler from an old polisher motor and some scrap wood..... I have run three batches so far today (about 300 cases per batch) and it works great using some walnut lizard bedding from a pet store with a capful of NuFinish car polish. I also cobbed up screened tumbler to quickly seperate the media from the brass when finished.

Planning on my first of "production" loading tonight. :)

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Leland Pate 03-27-2010 06:49 PM

Jesus, Tim.

You put the DI back in DIY...


I just got my new gun cleaning table put in the basement tonight. It's actually just an expansion of my reloading bench area. I always seem to need more space and this thing is pretty big.

The stainless steel make for real easy cleanup too!

Anyway, looks good Tim!

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Leland Pate 03-27-2010 06:51 PM

...and as luck would have it....


Look what FedEx brought me today!!!


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Lazarro 03-27-2010 07:02 PM

NuFinish?

Awesome setup, enjoy.

Tim Hancock 03-28-2010 05:09 AM

Nice table/bench Lee! I love stainless, but am to cheap to pay for it. We are designing/building food equipment at work and had to build a clean room which has some stainless tables in it. If we ever tear it down, you can bet I will be trying to get some of the stainless. ;)

I only "intend" to load bulk quantities of 9mm IDPA loads, so I should be fine with my present set-up, but who knows....

Lazarro, Lots of guys use a capfull of the NuFinish auto polish when polishing cases. I tried corn cob also, but it takes longer to clean the cases. The walnut media works great and 1 to 1.5 hour in the vibratory tumbler seems sufficient. If I were to run them thru in corncob after the walnut, they would be even "shinier", but they look just like the factory new WWB after just the walnut/NuFinish.

Joeaksa 03-28-2010 05:58 AM

Tim,

Go to auctions. I do all the time. You often can find stainless stuff like that from old restaurants going out of business for next to nothing.

Excellent to have in the shop, I have one as my welding table and love it.

Joe A

legion 03-28-2010 12:01 PM

Tim, I use the walnut before the corncob, but for two 20-minute stretches usually.

The walnut leaves a lot of residue on the cases, which the corncob removes. If not removed, the walnut residue will start to gum up the dies. This makes less of a difference on straight-walled cases, but is a huge deal with bottle-necked cases, as the walnut residue + case lube makes for an abrasive mess.

Tim Hancock 03-28-2010 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by legion (Post 5262939)
Tim, I use the walnut before the corncob, but for two 20-minute stretches usually.

The walnut leaves a lot of residue on the cases, which the corncob removes. If not removed, the walnut residue will start to gum up the dies. This makes less of a difference on straight-walled cases, but is a huge deal with bottle-necked cases, as the walnut residue + case lube makes for an abrasive mess.

My cases look pretty clean after the walnut. I am not using any sort of lube with my 9mm cases. I could easily run the cases again thru corn cob that I have a 50lb bag of, but I am not sure I need to. I just got done running 150 rounds and had one upside down primer..... other than that, it seems to be working nicely.

legion 03-28-2010 01:55 PM

Hmmm....what brand walnut media are you using? I use the Lyman stuff. Maybe that's the problem.

Tim Hancock 03-28-2010 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by legion (Post 5263133)
Hmmm....what brand walnut media are you using? I use the Lyman stuff. Maybe that's the problem.


It is called "Lizard Litter".... ground english walnut shells.... big bag at the pet store was about $10. You can see it in the background of one of the pictures above. I tumble them pretty well in my separator gizmo and I have yet to find a case with any perceptible dust or pieces of walnut on them including the flash hole. I am using a capful of the NuFinish car polish every couple cycles added to the media and run for five minutes prior to adding the cases.

Tim Hancock 03-28-2010 04:13 PM

Well other than 1 upside down primer possibly due to my initial rough actuating of the press, I just loaded my first 500 and am VERY happy with this press. I ended up at a speed of 100 rounds in 10-11 minutes at which time I would reload the case feeder and primer tray with 100 more rounds. I think I can go a bit faster once I get a good smooth rythym going. I watch the primer feed slot then observe the powder level right as I complete each handle stroke just prior to placing the next bullet in place. The case feeder works perfect although I did mod it slighty at the top to insure the smallish 9mm cases feed right side up thru the collator.

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ur_ok 08-20-2010 05:40 AM

Tim, hi, my name is Pablo and I`m from Argetina. I`ve been reading the forum and I guess I`m in the same problem. I dont know wich one to buy, the lee or the dillon. As I leve outside the US it seems that the custumer service will be a bit of a problem. Wich is your experience till now with the lee ? do u have to do anything to fix the priming problem that everybody talks about ?
Than u very much ...

ur_ok 08-20-2010 05:45 AM

OK, wich is your upgrade opinion today ? I`m from Argentina and I`m in the same problem that u were. I dont know wich to buy. I guess that if I have any problem in my country it would cost me really much to send it to the US.
Thanks ,

Pablo

WyrTwister 06-14-2011 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Hancock (Post 5100617)
:D You got me nailed. I just went to look at and try my wife's boss's 550B..... Worked fine and looked brand spanking new..... for $500 cash I can have it. I really don't like having to feed both the cases and bullets along with loading the primer tubes one primer at a time.... seemed tedious. If I buy it, I will have to figure out at least a DIY case feeder system similar to the Lee's. The Lee sometimes gets an upside down 9mm case, but there is a simple 5 minute fix for that on-line.



I think I saw a YouTube video on how to build a DIY primer feed that uses a Lee primer tray .

God bless
Wyr

WyrTwister 06-14-2011 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by legion (Post 5149125)
I have a Lee Loadmaster dedicated to .223.

I have a Lee Pro 1000 dedicated to 9mm.

I have a Lee "big" Classic press dedicated to .50 BMG.

I have a Lee Breech Lock that is dedicated to depriming and is occassionally used for other small tasks.

For all other calibers and competition loads, I have a Lee Classic Turret. I have multiple turrets that I simply pop in for a new caliber. I don't use a powder measure with the turret press, I have a Lyman automatic scale that I use instead.

The only real problems that I have with any of my Lee presses is that the Pro 1000 has a rather poor primer feed system (it often seats primers sideways or crushes them--I always use Winchester primers for this reason) and the Lee Perfect Powder measures spews BL-C2 on the Loadmaster. I think I'm going to purchase a Hornady powder measure to fix the problem. I think it's funny that the Lee Perfect Powder Measure is around $20, and the Hornady powder measure w/ progressive press kit is around $120.

On an unrelated note, I have three Lee Perfect Powder measures for sale. They work great as long as you don't hook them up to a progressive press.

The Lee perfect powder measure is not suited for ball powder . I started using a ball powder for .223 , several years ago . I bought the Lee auto disk pro powder measure . It works , but has always leaked some powder .

Some here along the way , I bought the adjustable charge bar , but never used it much . Last week , I noticed it in the box with the round disks & decided to try it . First I tried 23.0 grains of AA # 2200 & 55 grain Hornady FMJBT . This was close to the max for the adjustable bar .

Then tried 21.0 grains of WC846 with 61 grain FMJBT pulls .

Both of these are ball powders and they leaked almost zero .

The disk measure has always worked great with flake and extruded powder . Give it a try .

God bless
Wyr

WyrTwister 06-14-2011 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Hancock (Post 5261467)
Finally got it mounted and setup. Made a Lexan primer explosion guard and then attempted to load a few rounds. I immediately had primer issues and was really perplexed till I found out that some of my once fired Walamrt Winchester White Box 9mm cases were headstamped WCC instead of WIN. I found out that Walmart on occasion is getting shipped the WCC stuff which is Winchester's military brass which has crimped in primers. Luckily most of my once fired brass is Federal and it runs fine. After looking thru all my brass and ammo, it looks like I have about 500 of the WCC brass and I made a tool to fix them and it works great.

Today being the hardcore DIY'er (and a cheap b@stard), I built a vibratory brass tumbler from an old polisher motor and some scrap wood..... I have run three batches so far today (about 300 cases per batch) and it works great using some walnut lizard bedding from a pet store with a capful of NuFinish car polish. I also cobbed up screened tumbler to quickly seperate the media from the brass when finished.

Planning on my first of "production" loading tonight. :)

It is a good idea to visually inspect the brass on any military caliber for crimped in primer pockets . Sort those and put them aside to batch process .

I use a Lee universal de-priming die on them , in a single stage press . I then process the primer pocket crimp and then finish reloading them along with the other brass .

I use the universal de-priming die quite a bit .

God bless
Wyr


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