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dhaines 12-21-2001 08:06 AM

digital camera?
 
Any recommendations for a digital camera, let's say under $500? What are you guys using? May pick one up after the holidays.

Z-man 12-21-2001 08:15 AM

You can get a good 2.1 megapixel camera for under $300.00.

I have a three year old Fujifilm 1.3 megapix and it still works great!

If you're just going to post pictures on the 'net, then even a 1.3 megapix camera is fine. Just make sure you can make adjustments in resolution, like 640x480 to 1280x960.

Click on my car below: my pelican photo gallery has pics from my 1.3 digi camera, to give you an idea. The pictures are 640x480.

Also: I recommend staying away from the Sony cameras: they use their own proprietary 'memory stick.' Other manufacturers that use the Smart Media card (and other media types) are little more flexible in that more companies product them. (Read: competition brings the price down!)

-Zoltan.
Click for more:
http://www.pelicanparts.com/ultimate...ds/Zslalom.JPG

wckrause 12-21-2001 08:19 AM

Olympus 2040 Zoom 2.1 MP You can probably find for $350 -$400.

Very bright lens works great in low light. USB port with built in Windows 2000 driver.

Kahuna 12-21-2001 08:25 AM

2 mp is all you really need for 99% of the time some good choices;
  • Nikon 775
  • Nikon 885
  • Canon S110
  • Canon G1
With digicams small is beautiful as is Li batteries, compact fash cards are preferred over memory stick, 3 optical zoom min.

Formerly Steve Wilkinson 12-21-2001 08:26 AM

I have a Nikon Coolpix 900-something, and though it's more expensive than what you're looking for, it does suggest something to consider when you shop: the Coolpix has a small monitor screen that is _very_ hard to read in sunlight. In really bright light, you have no idea what you're looking at. (It's supposed to function both as a viewfinder and as a display of what you've just shot.)

Stephan

APKhaos 12-21-2001 08:29 AM

Optical zoom is clean, digital zoom tends to reduce sharpness. I'm wondering just how much optical zoom is needed for decent track shots - Jack O probably knows?
The other question is how many Megapixels you really need. Most things I've read suggest 2Mp with print OK at 4*6, but you need 4Mp to print 8*10. Less than 2Mp is all you need for on-screen resolution.

Reg 12-21-2001 09:18 AM

My Kodak takes great 2.1 pictures, and is so simple I have not even looked at the instructions.

82SC 12-21-2001 10:46 AM

i ordered a Canon S300 for 270.00
check cnet for reviews of cameras

seach archives...I posted a trick to save 50% on dig cameras this holiday season...I think the title was "christmas shopping advise"

patalive 12-21-2001 10:55 AM

Digital Photography Review site offers some the best independent reviews of Digicams - See
http://www.dpreview.com/
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The buyers guide is quite good.
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In your shoes, I would go for the Nikon 775. It's very small but good reviews. Some of the newer Olympus models have the equivalent of a f1.8 lens - very fast for a digital camera. Your indoor flash will go faster with this lens.
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Note, that although you save money buying a camera with less megapixels, the more data you pack into each picture, the more flexability you have for cropping and enlarging. So if you plan to do any photo editing at all, bite the bullet and get more megapixels than you were planning. (I have some shots of my car on the Summit Point track, that I purchased from a pro - each shot is over 7 megs! With the computer, I can zoom in to see my instructor's eyes are closed! (hopefully just blinking :D).
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Chuck

don911 12-21-2001 11:38 AM

I just bought the minolta S304 for my sister and brother in law. Great camera for the money. 3MP's, 16meg card, usb, etc....
$399 at Camera world in oregon. Cheaper at other internet camera sites.

scedmonds 12-21-2001 03:46 PM

I had my own photo business for a number of years (small but pro, none-the-less!). I went with an Olympus 500-DL about five years ago for my first digital (800KB image). It took GREAT pics that made terrific 5x7 prints on a decent HP DeskJet.

You can find a refurb'ed 500- or 600-DL for less than $300.

I upgraded to an Olympus 3040 about 3 months ago (3MB image; $700 is what I paid), and it's amazing. Image quality is stunning, and it, like the 500-DL, is comfortable for an old hand 35mm SLR photog.

My brother-in-law just bought a refurbed 3040 on eBay (with warranty) for $400 (!).

I'm a big Olympus fan because of the image quality and ease of getting pix onto the PC (USB connection rocks!).

Cheers!

C.

gr8fl4porsche 12-21-2001 04:09 PM

I also use the Olympus 3040, paid $ 800.00 last year - now on ebay for around $600.00 I believe. 3.34 megapixels.

Go for the most mp for the buck.
Get the most memory you can afford, 128mb is good.

The clarity on the high mp cameras is outstanding,
sometimes I think my digi takes better pics than my SLR
depending on the light and object.

78silversc 12-21-2001 04:21 PM

canon A20
 
I Just purchased a Canon A20, to capture the building of a new inground pool. It was around $350.00. I am exptremely happy with it, and would recommend it highly. As long as you don't use the LCD screen to compose pictures, and don't use the largest image resolution, you get pretty good battery life too. I have not upgraded the memory card and only have 8MB. But as I said with a smaller resolution it is good for 20 + pics.
When I was researching cameras I used this website
http://www.dpreview.com/
it was very helpful and has professional review as well as owner reviews, sample pics etc.
Good luck

78silversc 12-21-2001 04:26 PM

canon A20
 
I Just purchased a Canon A20, to capture the building of a new inground pool. It was around $350.00. I am exptremely happy with it, and would recommend it highly. As long as you don't use the LCD screen to compose pictures, and don't use the largest image resolution, you get pretty good battery life too. I have not upgraded the memory card and only have 8MB. But as I said with a smaller resolution it is good for 20 + pics.
When I was researching cameras I used this website
http://www.dpreview.com/
it was very helpful and has professional review as well as owner reviews, sample pics etc.
Good luck

Rollins 12-21-2001 06:15 PM

Look on Ebay. I'd go for the Sony F707 or the CD200/300. The CD200 uses mini CD's that hold something like 160mb, and they are considerably cheaper than the memory cards. I personally have a Sony Cybershot camera that I am selling. It's got a carrying case, and 4 memory sticks plus the basics. If you're interested then email me at deleted and we can work out a deal. I am selling it for considerably less than the $500 max.
-Tim

pjv911 12-21-2001 08:05 PM

The best camera for the money is the olympus 3000. Aside from 3.34 megapixel it also does video. Its going for under $500.00 Forget about ebay for a camera they are holding value to much. Just get a new one with a warrentee. Go with olympus. I have done days of research on digital camera`s and consistanly found the olympus 3000 to be by far the best for under $700.00. And best part is ist only $475.00 here on long island. Oh and one more thing stay away from the factory refurbished models. If you want a pic sample just send me a email with request but you better have a good modem connection.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/read_opinions.asp?prodkey=oly_c3000z

osidak 12-21-2001 08:42 PM

I would agree about the olympus c3000. I bought mine labor day weekend and love it. great picture quality. Uses smart media which can be had super cheap (64meg card =$20 and will hold 199 photo's at 5x7 size)

Paid $499 for it and got 18 month interest free so it nice and cheap. It comes with a 8mb card (the only down side) and as the previous person stated before does quicktime movies. Oh has many of the functions of a SLR or can be totally point and shoot. You can also purchase lens adapters for the camera to put a telephoto or wide angle lens or even lens filters. This camera has replaced my SLR for all intent and purposes.

I bought mine new but why would you stay away from factory refurbished?

osidak

Gary J. Spinella 12-22-2001 07:45 AM

I own a Sony DSC- S30 which is no longer made. What swayed me to the Sony was it's ability to take great close-up's and the outstanding battery life since it uses a camcorder battery. The battery life/power is a huge benefit when your charger isn't close by. Also, I can't see purchasing a camera with 3.0+ megapixels if your not going to print/enlarge your photo's. Actually around 1.0 megapixel gives great results for most applications, i.e e-mail.etc.

pjv911 12-22-2001 12:30 PM

Factory refurbished is normally onlt 10% cheaper and has been tampered with. I think new is a better deal.

Don Plumley 12-22-2001 02:18 PM

I went digital this past January. Lots of research. Check out:
http://www.steves-digicams.com It is a well-rated independent site. Good camera reviews - very, very detailed, lots of pics and evaluation of features. They also have a list of links to every other site out there:
http://www.steves-digicams.com/digresources.html

I agree that 2mp is reasonable enough for web posting and reprints up to 5x7. 3.3mp let's you do 8x10, but you can dial it down to save space. I like that option.

One important consideration is batteries. These guys eat them, especially when using the LCD to review or frame pics. So a rechargeable is a must. Now here is the rub. Some cameras include them, some don't. There are inexpensive AA recharge kits (again, look at the resource list above to learn more about batteries than you ever wanted to know). Most, if not many of the cameras use a proprietary size/shape rechargeable battery. Often the more expensive models do not - which gives you important flexibility.

For example, I selected the Nikon 880 primarily for the legendary Nikon optics, but also because the Nikon rechargeable battery is the same as a standard 2CR5 camera battery. So if I'm out in the field taking pics, and either run out of juice or forget to recharge, I can drop in a spare regular disposable battery, or walk over to any film counter and buy same.

I also opted for a Lexar brand CF card - mainly because it has a very compact USB reader that allows the card to be treated like a disk drive. This makes grabbing the images off the card very easy. I've never "connected the camera" directly to my PC, which means one less proprietary software package to muck up the works.

Finally, get and learn to use a decent photo editing package (like Paint Shop Pro). Simple adjustments to contrast, color balance and sharpness makes a dramatic difference in image quality. For example, when someone wears a hat, I can slightly digitally enhance the portion of the face under the hat - and you can see their face. Of course, the same technique could be applied to interior shots of your Car :D

They are certainly a lot of fun and are great for instant gratification. If I were going to get a 2mp for quick snaps, I like the Nikon 775 as well as some of the Olympus models, though I don't like the Smarted memory card in the Olympus. But to each their own.

Have Fun!

Don

cegerer 12-22-2001 02:55 PM

If you're not confused enough already, consider another one: the Sony DSC-D770. This is an SLR with true optical viewfinder. The camera was discontinued but new ones still pop up on eBay and at Sony Outlet stores for under $500 (this retailed for $1800 when introduced!). It's only 1.5 Megapixel, but I printed some very nice 8x10's with it. All of my Rennsport Reunion photos (linked below) were taken with it. And, yes, Sony's Infolithium batteries simply cannot be beat!!!!!!!! Digital cameras EAT batteries.

Another fantastic camera manufacturer who is often overlooked is Fuji. www.fujifilm.com I just bought their 6.1 megapixel S1 Pro SLR (a modified Nikon 35MM SLR). It employs a "Super CCD". This CCD is a clean sheet design for digital still cameras, as opposed to conventional CCD's that were originally designed for other uses. Although the S1 is several thousand $$, Fuji uses similar Super CCD's in some of their consumer cameras as well. Alot of bang for the buck with Fuji! -- Curt

patalive 12-22-2001 02:55 PM

To reiterate, having more megapixels provides you with MUCH more flexibility when you are editing with Print Shop, Photo Now, Picture It, Adobe's PhotoDeluxe, etc, etc.
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With three megapixels, after your download the picture to your PC, you can crop and enlarge just one portion of the photo, say a close up of your childrens' faces, the wheels on your Pcar, etc, size the picture to 3x5 and still print out a good image. Thus, you are eliminating say 50 percent of the unwanted, needless background. THEN, you can still save the image to jpeg at a lessor quality, providing a smaller file size, e.g., 35 to 50 kb, for posting on Pelican Parts.
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If you do the same thing with a 1,5 or 2.0 megapixel camera, the resultant picture is fuzzy! More data means more flexibility for manipulating pictures.
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Chuck

cegerer 12-22-2001 03:16 PM

Chuck is absolutely correct. It's just like the difference between 35mm and medium format film. You can get by with shorter focal length lenses on a medium format (or large megapixel digital) because you can simply crop a small area of the negative and still wind up equal too or better than 35mm.

Jorgeman 12-22-2001 05:28 PM

Digital Cameras
 
I'm using an older Olympus D-450 Zoom--1.3 MP.
It does a remarkable job for it's age and is way more than needed for e-mailing. The real reason for this trans is to advise of Costco's EXCELLENT deal right now on Ni metal Hydride rechargeable batteries. For $25 they're selling a pkg. deal that includes a Charger, 6 AA's, 2 AAA'and I believe, 2 C's and 2 D's. My Olympus takes 4 AA's and they seem to last forever between charges and I carry 4 Alkalines for emergencies. You might want to check them out if they'd fit your camera.

george 86TSmileWavy

dhaines 12-22-2001 06:13 PM

It is all becoming perfectly clear! ;-)
Thanks for all the input, really gives me a place to start....:) :)

jkeyzer 12-24-2001 01:02 AM

I am a huge fan of the Sony DSC-S50. It is last year's model so you may be able to find it cheap/used. It was around $500 when new a year ago. It is 2.1 megapixels and will do macro shots down to 3cm. It has a rechargable lithium battery (>120 minutes use on a full charge) and uses USB for file transfers. I have had mine since last summer and I love it!

The only thing you may find annoying is the lack of a viewfinder (LCD only) but once you get used to it you'll never miss not having the viewfinder except when taking pictures in the dark.

pjv911 12-24-2001 08:57 AM

I would have to think that most digital camera`s are capable of using a usb link. I dont think that sony is a good choice because all upgrades and accessories are available from sony only and the prices are high. A camera like olympus is designed to be universal as far as lensces, memery cards, batteries, software, etc
There is endless aftermarket accessories available for the olympus digital camera`s.

jkeyzer 12-24-2001 12:35 PM

I agree that it is good to have a camera that uses universal accessories if you plan to upgrade it. With that said however the only thing I have ever needed to buy for the Sony was a larger memory stick (within weeks of buying the camera). If you are just a casual photographer needing to document your work on the P-car and take photos around town, you're probably not really going to need anything else. By the time you are craving new lenses, etc. you will probably want to move onto more of an SLR style camera and the price tag that goes along with it. The Sony is nice because its capabilities out of the box are above average (lithium battery is a huge plus).

dickster 12-25-2001 03:14 AM

merry christmas guys

i just used the review sites (thanks) and ordered a Fujifilm Finepix A201. i don't want to do any fancy stuff - i've never owned a camera!

can't wait to try it........

richard :D

Doug Zielke 12-28-2001 03:33 PM

Just picked up a FujiFilm FinePix 2600 Z at a post-Xmas sale.
I love this little camera! For what I intend to use it for, it should prove to be a very good value.

Blackfoot 12-28-2001 07:28 PM

working with digital images from many sources on a daily basis, i like these the best:

sony
fuji
kodak

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