Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins (Post 5458385)

Bullshyte. Sheer and utter bullshyte. You have no idea what my background is.

This has been a lifetime passion of mine, Randy. I would put my knowledge of North American game species up against yours any farkin' day of the week. And I have been out there with them, hunting them and observing them for damn near 40 years, first hand, up close and personal. ... You are flat ass wrong.

In my very first post on this matter, I was careful to say the superior number of black bear attacks on humans over those from grizzly bears may be due to proximity.

And no, Mr. "Research", grizzlies are no longer listed as "endangered" in the vast majority of their range. Not even "threatened" in most of it, as a matter of fact. Internationally, they aren't even on the watch list anymore. Their recovery in the late 20th / early 21st centuries has been astonishing. You must have missed that in your "research".

So, no, no confusion here, Randy. Not on my side. ..


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Originally Posted by Taz's Master (Post 5458405)

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I disagree, killing the bear is a temporary solution. Killing one bear assumes that one bear is my problem. There are many bears around here, and all I can really accomplish is to make my property seem more trouble than the food it contains is worth.

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins (Post 5457963)

Generic term of endearment for our LEO's of the woods.;)



Yup, caught the first one but missed the second. "Target fixation", if you will. It's an oft repeated "axiom" that black bear are less dangerous than grizzlies. I like to stomp that one out wherever I see it.



Straight from the "YGTBFKM" department.

The WDFW has become rather infamous amongst hunters and fishermen for cozying up to hand-wringing ninny nit-wits like Carrie Hunt (there is a tasteless joke in there somewhere...). As a matter of fact, the WDFW would seemingly very much prefer our state's hunters kill no game and our fishermen catch no fish. They have become embroiled in (or maybe more like "consumed by") the very worst kind of liberal fee-good politics of game management imaginable. As such, you will simply never get the straight story on the success or failure of these kinds of programs from them. They have lost all objectivity, and are dominated by over-educated fools with nowhere near the field experience of backgrounds formerly required to hold their positions. The old guard has been first shouted down, and finally pushed out by this crowd. The WDFW is in serious trouble, and every sportsman in Washington understands that. They are out of control. Everything they touch gets fcked up in some way. This is no exception.

Originally Posted by vash (Post 5458626)

four pages? amazing.

Originally Posted by Joeaksa (Post 5458765)

And how much of it is absolute trash talk? Personally I see this as a very dangerous thread. If a person who is not familiar with bears and the outdoors then takes some of this so called advise and heads outdoors, they very well may not return from their "jaunt in the woods!" The other thread about rattlesnakes IMHO is much the same.


Guys, some of you may think that this is something to joke about, but its not. These and other critters feel that you are lower on the food chain than they are, and without the assistance of Mr's Smith & Wesson or one of his friends, YOU ARE! This is nothing to fool around with.

Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 5458552)

Your profile says you are an engineer - why not stick to that?

You are way off base about virtually everything above - but HEY since you had to learn some simple math & lookup tables, and have killed some wildlife, I am sure you know a lot more than all the experts in the area.

You know nothing about grizzly recovery - and are probably not even aware that their major food source for winter is in severe decline. You likely even think they hibernate. They don't.

Looking at your postings, it is clear that you don't your azz from a hole in the ground.

So, Get off your high horse -- if you can figure out what a horse is.

Originally Posted by Taz's Master (Post 5458405)

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. Again, George presented the clearest, most realistic view and advice on this entire thread. These kinds of bears almost always wind up dead. The sooner that is accepted, the better it is for everyone involved (except the bear). No good ever comes of protracted efforts to "scare one off", or "discourage" one, or any of that nonsense. Relocating him only makes him someone else's problem - they will travel great distances to renew old habits. There isn't enough remote wilderness in the United States to get him out of everyone's way. By the time he is in the garbage cans or chicken coop, it's simply time to deal forcefully with the situation. Get a depredation permit if you are able, or have a fish cop (not Randy) come out and kill it and be done with it.

I disagree, killing the bear is a temporary solution. Killing one bear assumes that one bear is my problem. There are many bears around here, and all I can really accomplish is to make my property seem more trouble than the food it contains is worth.

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins (Post 5459559)

So, I'll be signing off on this one.

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins (Post 5459559)

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Your knowledge of bear habits appears to be very much in line with your knowledge of many topics (and that of many PPOT/PARF pompous asses) - the five minute Wiki/Google search variety. The interwebs are a great tool for guys like you; they can almost make you appear knowledgeable in areas in which you "don't know your ass from a hole in the ground".

Anyway, I've already been drawn much deeper into one of your infamous pissing matches than I would like. I'll never understand guys like you. Most of us participate in forums like this to make friends, share our knowledge, and maybe learn something. Guys lie you that only show up to try to exercise your egos and alienate as many as possible (and derail almost every thread in which you participate by doing so) baffle me. So, I'll be signing off on this one.

Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 5459771)

You will no doubt find some of my publications on Google Scholar.