Home defense spoons?

[scottmandue]

RPKESQ beat me to it, I have a 870 and as an exercise I walked down my hall and through some doorways while caring it. Felt very awkward.

However I do think the sight/sound of a shot spoon is very intimating.

Let the shot spoon Vs handgun debate begin!!!!

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by scottmandue

Let the shot spoon Vs handgun debate begin!!!!

No debate. I have both!

And a metal bat

[BernieP]

"Most times shotguns are a poor choice for CQC, close quarters combat. Too easy to loose control of the weapon. Outside, with some distance, it is great. In a typical home hallway, stair case, or such it is less than optimum.

"Racking a round" as a deterrent is enormously over rated. If that were so, why isn't it promoted to do the same with a semi-auto pistol? Expecting a person who has already demonstrated the will to transgress, to react as a normal person is highly dubious at best.

If you truly need a firearm, you need it ready for action when it is in your hand (you may only have one hand to use).

A short barreled handgun combined with proper flashlight technique is the better choice for most. Combined with remote control room and outdoor lighting and a "safe room" to retreat to (what there are more than one thief/home invader in the house?) will give you and yours the best chance of survival."

I agree, but concern with hand gun rounds is over penetration or going across the street into my neighbors house. A shot gun with the proper choice of ammo would lessen this concern.

Bernie P

[RPKESQ]

Over penetration is a seldom seen, but much discussed issue. I do not worry about it as I believe in shot placement to solve the problem.

You can purchase handgun rounds that will not over penetrate also.

[svandamme]

Does .45 acp ball ammo go through and ordinary double brick wall?
I mean oldschool 1923 clay brick, not modern day hollow building blocks..

[vash]

Originally Posted by RPKESQ

Over penetration is a seldom seen, but much discussed issue. I do not worry about it as I believe in shot placement to solve the problem.

You can purchase handgun rounds that will not over penetrate also.

what? what are you talking about? i've never shot anyone but i can promise you it isnt like the movies. if a gun fight breaks out in my home..shot placement goes out the window. i am untrained like most of the population.

a stray bullet going out thru a sheetrock wall(S) is a very real problem. i shot a 9mm in a "test house" it went thru 2 interior walls and disappeared thru one one exterior wall. gone.

ironically, i fired a .223 round and it obliterated going thru the first wall. this was a varmit round.

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by svandamme

Does .45 acp ball ammo go through and ordinary double brick wall?
I mean oldschool 1923 clay brick, not modern day hollow building blocks..

It will not go through either material.

[BernieP]

I agree shot placement is every thing but in a home invasion situation I know I will not be at my best and it is a concern. Even in police shootings most officers can not tell you how many shots they fired. Who has not had the occasional flyer at the range even under ideal conditions?

Bernie P

[vash]

i think most home gun fights are at seven feet and is just two people flinging lead. it isnt good looking for sure.

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by RPKESQ

It will not go through either material.

Not to be funny, but, have you tried it yourself?

The thing is, i have a .45 acp DW 1911 and my house is a row house with a neighbor on each side.

I don't ever want to try shooting either of my walls, let al one the ones where my neighbors are.. In fact i don't even like the idea of having the gun stored with a round chambered in the house... A full mag near the gun and knowing i can rack it quick if i have to suffices.

But can't test myself, not in test it in open air, as gun laws don't permit open air plinking and no shooting range will let me shoot bricks.

So i preferably my question remains hypothetical, but was hoping somebody could shed some light on this, with first hand experience...

[Embraer]

I upgraded to the Hogue grip on my Mossberg 500 Persuader. For a pistol grip, it makes a heck of a difference.

[Tim Hancock]

Living where I live, I am not too concerned with a burgular coming in my house at night, but I am somewhat concerned with flks breaking into my shop at night which is a couple hundred feet from my house. I truly love my short lighted shotgun for night time use. I have wandered outside MANY times in my underwear at night with the gun shouldered to investigate noises or dog barking. I truly feel very comfortable with it and while I have handguns and rifles, for night time use on my property the shotgun wins hands down. That said..... If I lived in an urban area, I would probably put a light on my 9mm Glock and keep it loaded on my nightstand.

My next most "utility" gun is a simple Marlin .22 semi-auto rifle..... During the day time it have proven very effective at dropping pests in the back yard in both my and my wife/daughters' hands.

[Jim Bremner]

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The Box O' Truth #1 - The Original Box O' Truth - Page 1

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by vash

what? what are you talking about? i've never shot anyone but i can promise you it isnt like the movies. if a gun fight breaks out in my home..shot placement goes out the window. i am untrained like most of the population.

a stray bullet going out thru a sheetrock wall(S) is a very real problem. i shot a 9mm in a "test house" it went thru 2 interior walls and disappeared thru one one exterior wall. gone.

ironically, i fired a .223 round and it obliterated going thru the first wall. this was a varmit round.

Let me get this straight.

You want a gun for self defense.

But are unwilling to obtain training to use it effectively.

In my opinion, expecting to be able to hit with any firearm at normal in house distances without training is not a rational thought.

Get some proper training. Simple solution to shot placement.



Any normal handgun can be loaded with non penetrating ammunition. You did not know that? Most 12 or 20 Bore shotgun rounds will penetrate sheetrock as easily as a handgun round (the shotgun has more power than most handguns and at a similar velocity, simple physics).

[vash]

Originally Posted by RPKESQ

Let me get this straight.

You want a gun for self defense.

But are unwilling to obtain training to use it effectively.

In my opinion, expecting to be able to hit with any firearm at normal in house distances without training is not a rational thought.

Get some proper training. Simple solution to shot placement.



Any normal handgun can be loaded with non penetrating ammunition. You did not know that? Most 12 or 20 Bore shotgun rounds will penetrate sheetrock as easily as a handgun round (the shotgun has more power than most handguns and at a similar velocity, simple physics).

no..i am a fantastic shot.

i am not trained for the situation when someone is shooting at me. you?

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by svandamme

Not to be funny, but, have you tried it yourself?

The thing is, i have a .45 acp DW 1911 and my house is a row house with a neighbor on each side.

I don't ever want to try shooting either of my walls, let al one the ones where my neighbors are.. In fact i don't even like the idea of having the gun stored with a round chambered in the house... A full mag near the gun and knowing i can rack it quick if i have to suffices.

But can't test myself, not in test it in open air, as gun laws don't permit open air plinking and no shooting range will let me shoot bricks.

So i preferably my question remains hypothetical, but was hoping somebody could shed some light on this, with first hand experience...

"Normal" .45 ball ammunition is about 850 fps. It will not penetrate concrete blocks or baked clay bricks. It will shatter them, but not pass completely through. And yes, I have tested them.

You can load the .45 Auto up to about 1300 fps with thicker full metal jacketed bullets like the designs for the Federal Truncated Cone bullets that will penetrate.

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by vash

no..i am a fantastic shot.

i am not trained for the situation when someone is shooting at me. you?

Yes.

Why are you not trained properly?

[svandamme]

cool, thx!

[Rick V]

You will be seeing the wrong end of this if you are here when you shouldn't be. Remington 870 police mag

[scottmandue]

Hey Vash... next time I'm in town lets take some shots at each other!


RPKESQ, in our country most tactical training is reserved for military or police.

I suppose a citizen could find classes.... but doubt any would include defending yourself while being fired on.