Guns With Stripper Clips

[jyl]

Tell me about gun designs that use stripper clips. Not box magazines.

I'm wondering how much thinner, lighter, simpler you could make a CCW gun without the box mag and mag release.

[Joeaksa]

Spend your time on something else... this is not going to work...

[HardDrive]

I would never carry any weapon that was 'unusual' in anyway. The last thing one wants is a weapon that an overzealous prosecutor or civil attorney could pick on as a 'military style' gun.

I'm ditching my .38 as a carry gun and moving to a thin 9mm of some kind.

[BlueSkyJaunte]

[svandamme]

There's a reason why internal magazines with stripper clips has been replaced by box magazines... In fact,there are several reasons
- much faster reloads

- easier storage
(bullets can fall off a clip, but rarely leave a magazine while in yer bag or pocket)

- less chance of buggering up the reload under stress

I really don't see the point in regressing to the obsolete technology ?

You could just as well use a single mag, not carry any spare mags
and remove the mag release, and put some JB weld to lock it in place..
But it's really pointless innit..?

[svandamme]

There's a reason why internal magazines with stripper clips has been replaced by box magazines... In fact,there are several reasons
- much faster reloads

- easier storage
(bullets can fall off a clip, but rarely leave a magazine while in yer bag or pocket)

- less chance of buggering up the reload under stress

I really don't see the point in regressing to the obsolete technology ?

You could just as well use a single mag, not carry any spare mags
and remove the mag release, and put some JB weld to lock it in place..
But it's really pointless innit..?

[id10t]

Only "recent" one I know of - aside from modifications to FALs, ARs, AKs, etc to get around California's crazy rules - was the original Grendel P-10. 380, used a M16 stripper clip to load 10 rounds. The P-12 replaced it, and used a magazine. Guns were identical size. Grendel later became Kel-Tec.

[dhoward]

I read this as guns in strip clubs...

[svandamme]

You might wanna look up "bikini bandits" then..., it' more like strippers with guns, outside of the clubs, but still, it works.

[on2wheels52]

Originally Posted by id10t

Only "recent" one I know of - aside from modifications to FALs, ARs, AKs, etc to get around California's crazy rules - was the original Grendel P-10. 380, used a M16 stripper clip to load 10 rounds. The P-12 replaced it, and used a magazine. Guns were identical size. Grendel later became Kel-Tec.

I had a couple of Grendel's come through the pawn shop years ago. I remember thinking the concept was interesting but the execution could have been better. I didn't know they became Kel-Tec.
I've had a C96 like BSJ's photo for quite a while. You have to remember ease of reloading while on horseback was a concern in its design.
Jim

[BlueSkyJaunte]

Originally Posted by on2wheels52

I had a couple of Grendel's come through the pawn shop years ago. I remember thinking the concept was interesting but the execution could have been better. I didn't know they became Kel-Tec.

George Kelgren is the owner of both. Get it? "Gren"del. "Kel"-tec. Sigh.

What's old is new again..."new" Kel-tec PMR-30 is just a re-hash of the Grendel P30.

[dhoward]

George Kellgren is an owner and Chief Engineer for Kel-Tek. He is the Swedish designer who also designed many earlier Husqvarna (in Sweden), Swedish Interdynamics AB (in Sweden), Intratec, and Grendel brand firearms.

[jyl]

I think the Garand rifle used stripper clips too?

Just thinking around. Gun design is stagnating. Everyone's polymer striker fired looks like everyone else's and they all look like Glocks. Everything else is a clone of a 101 year old autoloader or an even older wheel gun.

It is possible that modern pistols are so perfect that there is nothing left to do. But I don't believe it.

[Nostril Cheese]

I came in here looking for strippers with guns.. I am dissapoint.

[jyl]

I mean, let's name the really different, radical, innovative things in handgun design since the polymer frame, the double-stack magazine, the striker-fired action, the HK P7 squeeze cocker? Oh yeah, everything on that list is 30-80 years old. I guess laser sights are slightly newer.

Sigh. Where's the son of Gyrojet?

[Red88Carrera]

What kind of innovations are you looking for? I know for sure that stripper clips aren't a move forward.

[jyl]

Yeah, maybe not.

I found an interesting weapon called the Metalstorm MAUL electrically fired repeating shotgun with no moving parts. Designed by a defense company as a military weapon, to mount on an assault rifle. Sorry no link handy but easy to google.

Interested in stuff like that.

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by dhoward

I read this as guns in strip clubs...

bOObs and spOOns (I miss that thread)

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by jyl

It is possible that modern pistols are so perfect that there is nothing left to do. But I don't believe it.

You are not looking in the right places....

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by jyl

I think the Garand rifle used stripper clips too?

Just thinking around. Gun design is stagnating. Everyone's polymer striker fired looks like everyone else's and they all look like Glocks. Everything else is a clone of a 101 year old autoloader or an even older wheel gun.

It is possible that modern pistols are so perfect that there is nothing left to do. But I don't believe it.

The Garand uses an eight round "en bloc" clip. It's inserted from above, past the open bolt, and held down slightly while the bolt release is pressed. If you don't do it right, the result is a painful little reminder to get it right next time, known as "Garand thumb". The clip is actually ejected after the last round is fired, allowing the bolt hold-open to raise up and hold the bolt open, and making room for the next clip.

The M-14 is just a Garand modified to accept the more modern clip that is inserted from the bottom and does not eject with the last round fired. It also has a shorter bolt stroke (.308 vs. .30-'06) to facilitate full auto fire, which proved to be useless in such a light arm with such a powerful chambering.

Stripper clips suck. One of the worst parts about using them is that you have to look down at the rifle to use them - they can't easily be used by feel, like modern clips that insert from the bottom. They bend and bind easily, their rails are easily deformed, and cartridges fall out of them too easily. Fun to play with, but definitely not anything for any kind of serious use.

Oh, and handgun development reached its zenith in 1873. It's been all downhill since.