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jyl 10-08-2013 05:34 AM

With wider gearing, that would be a cool little bike. Here are other 20" wheel bikes.

21 Small Wheel Bicycles - The Zippy Revolution : TreeHugger

Personally I'd get a Brompton if I was going to spend that much.

intakexhaust 10-08-2013 11:00 AM

Cannondale Hooligan: Curious too. Spotted a used one for sale month back. I sort of recall it being a flat black color and priced 1/2 of new. I didn't follow-up but any of these small wheelers can be fun. Like the name says, just for goofing off, scrambler in town, pit bike, etc.

Small folding types: We have two of them, a vintage Raleigh Twenty and some unknown Taiwan brand with decent quality + 6 speed Shimano. The Taiwan bike fits up to a 6' 3" rider comfortably and handles off-road trails. Someday would like to try a Bike Friday, upper-end built road bike.

intakexhaust 10-08-2013 11:07 AM

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jyl 10-08-2013 11:30 AM

I am thinking a Cannondale Hooligan stealth e-bike. Conceal the rear hub motor behind aero discs. Mount battery and controller between a pair of upper frame tubes or behind the seat tube, and conceal with a frame bag, like the Revelate bags. Modify a Gripshift to be the throttle, so there's no obvious e-bike giveaway. With those 20" tires and you being so light, I bet a 400 watt motor would burn rubber off the line. It would be a mini motard with pedals, a real hooligan. Wonder if you could get a lefty suspension fork to fit?

Scooter 10-08-2013 12:56 PM

I almost bought this one last weekend: Cannondale Hooligan | eBay

CurtEgerer 10-08-2013 01:12 PM

I almost sold my 1998 K2-ProFlex a couple of years ago for cheap. Really don't ride it much anymore. Then I find out there is a cult-following on ProFlex bikes and they're going for decent money.

K2 ProFlex Riders Group

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Joe Bob 10-08-2013 01:16 PM

That's a work of art.....hang it on the wall......

URY914 10-08-2013 02:05 PM

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jyl 10-08-2013 02:27 PM

Kind of too nice to be the base for a project

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I almost bought this one last weekend: <img style="text-decoration:none; border: 0; padding: 0; margin: 0;" src="http://rover.ebay.com/ar/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?mpt=1381265008&amp;adtype=1&amp;size=1x1&amp;typ e=4&amp;campid=5336391335&amp;toolid=10001&amp;mpr e=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2Fcannondale-hooligan-%2F331035307093%3Fpt%3DUS_Bicycles_Frames%26hash%3 Ditem4d133dec55%26nma%3Dtrue%26si%3DITAZqV%25252Ft deWVz0njxK8%25252Fg79b5yo%25253D%26orig_cvip%3Dtru e%26rt%3Dnc%26_trksid%3Dp2047675.l2557"><a href="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?campid=5336391335&amp;toolid=10001&amp;mpre=http %3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2Fcannondale-hooligan-%2F331035307093%3Fpt%3DUS_Bicycles_Frames%26hash%3 Ditem4d133dec55%26nma%3Dtrue%26si%3DITAZqV%25252Ft deWVz0njxK8%25252Fg79b5yo%25253D%26orig_cvip%3Dtru e%26rt%3Dnc%26_trksid%3Dp2047675.l2557" target="_blank">Cannondale Hooligan | eBay</a>

Scooter 10-08-2013 02:40 PM

I'm also thinking about building a full suspension 26" bike with 20" inch wheels like this one: cannondale superV 20inch - YouTube

Racerbvd 10-08-2013 02:49 PM

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jyl 10-08-2013 06:15 PM

I was thinking about that! Take an older and hence cheap dual suspension MTB, put 20" wheels on it. Issues will be bottom bracket height, gearing. Think you should swap to shorter cranks (BMX) for pedal clearance. Need disc brakes to make the wheel swap simpler. SuperVs are fairly cheap , the headshok is cool.

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I'm also thinking about building a full suspension 26" bike with 20" inch wheels like this one: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwej0jMRHB8&amp;feature=related" target="_blank">cannondale superV 20inch - YouTube</a>

Racerbvd 10-08-2013 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jyl (Post 7695744)
I was thinking about that! Take an older and hence cheap dual suspension MTB, put 20" wheels on it. Issues will be bottom bracket height, gearing. Think you should swap to shorter cranks (BMX) for pedal clearance. Need disc brakes to make the wheel swap simpler. SuperVs are fairly cheap , the headshok is cool.

Typical BMX crank is 180mm (the most popular size) course you can get the shorter ones designed for little kids, but, ..http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1381293621.jpg

jim72911t 10-08-2013 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by intakexhaust (Post 7695141)

Nice. I haven't seen one of those since my college years 20+ years ago. A roommate of mine worked at the DB dealer at the time, and they had 3-4 of those in the basement. Every once in a while (after the bars closed, of course ;)) we'd bust 'em out and play with them. Good times.

Scooter 10-08-2013 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jyl (Post 7695744)
I was thinking about that! Take an older and hence cheap dual suspension MTB, put 20" wheels on it. Issues will be bottom bracket height, gearing. Think you should swap to shorter cranks (BMX) for pedal clearance. Need disc brakes to make the wheel swap simpler. SuperVs are fairly cheap , the headshok is cool.

Yeah, I've pretty much designed the bike in my head. I am short, so crank size will be either 165mm or 170mm, which is typical for me. Disc brakes are a necessity and the BB height is something to watch.

Joe Bob 10-09-2013 04:12 AM

Still waiting to hear from someone that has done any electric assist to some of these old rides. It has gotta be a hoot with the 4.5Kw set ups that boast 50mph.....

Would like to do one myself but lessen my learning curve from a BTDT point of view.

CurtEgerer 10-09-2013 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Bob (Post 7695339)
That's a work of art.....hang it on the wall......

Or put an electric motor in it :cool::D It already takes 2 9V batteries to control the active suspension. It has a Noleen shock with a bypass port that allows shock fluid to pass by the damping piston - all controlled by a microprocessor that reads piston speed and acceleration 1000s of times per second. So set on 'Active' mode it is soft over small undulating bumps but can instantly handle a severe hit as well. It actually works and you can feel it.

What kind of HP can I get out of 2 9V batteries? :rolleyes:

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intakexhaust 10-09-2013 01:02 PM

2014 Specialized- 50 pounds and $$$$. But signs of the future.

I suppose when Schwinn offers a like looking bike for $500 and gas hits $5.00 gallon, the mainstream of America will flock to Walmart for them.

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porsche4life 10-09-2013 01:11 PM

If I could commute by bicycle.... I'd be all over that!!!

intakexhaust 10-09-2013 01:22 PM

350 watt hub motor is plenty. Fleabay china sellers have kits. I've seen one fellow commuting on a conversion - Huffy ATB, batteries on a rear rack / cargo pack. Controller was from a handicap scooter. From a glance estimate, he seemed to running just under 40, perhaps 35??. I don't think I'd want to exceed that on a clunker but maybe on a refined build with quality laced wheels.

http://static.electricbike.com/wp-co...6-IMG_2650.jpg

porsche4life 10-09-2013 01:23 PM

Someone posted the link somewhere here to an American company that was making a pretty slick looking hub motor for the front wheel that was super easy to install

Joe Bob 10-09-2013 01:28 PM

That was me......front wheel drive sucks, tested one.

porsche4life 10-09-2013 01:30 PM

Torque steer a wee bit? ;)

Joe Bob 10-09-2013 01:42 PM

Ya think?

I'd like to convert an aluminum 21 speed mountain bike, made by Giant and it's a hard tail......reverse engineering a Stealth Bomber e bike would be a good start.

No shop keeps them in stock, no test rides, takes 4-6 weeks to get one and $10K.

I know the theory as I did a 914 e conversion back in the early days.

intakexhaust 10-09-2013 01:42 PM

Hooligans.... ever see one of these? I have one like this in pieces, different company and seat. Good candidate for an electric hub... LOL. Maybe its best I leave it in pieces.



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Joe Bob 10-09-2013 01:45 PM

Those were the rage for about a week in Hermosa Beach, 1980 ish......drunks on a unicycle.....WTF could happen? The city council tried to ban them on the Strand (concrete board walk)....

intakexhaust 10-09-2013 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Bob (Post 7697034)
Ya think?

I'd like to convert an aluminum 21 speed mountain bike, made by Giant and it's a hard tail......reverse engineering a Stealth Bomber e bike would be a good start.

No shop keeps them in stock, no test rides, takes 4-6 weeks to get one and $10K.

I know the theory as I did a 914 e conversion back in the early days.

Could see that. My pawnshop special Giant Rapid had me thinking. Bike is too good for experimenting but could see getting another. Definitely a light ally frame, 700C (like a 29er), road geometry with flat bars. Lace up beefy 36 hole 4X wheels with electric hub and keep the rear derailleur.

Hiding batteries to keep it clean looking.... hmmm. The older model Paslode finish nailer use 6V cylinder batteries and could fit into the seat tube. The tricky part would be making a long opening under the top tube for access to store additional batteries - need 36 volts. Once the batteries are installed, an extruded cover would somehow be firmly attached underneath as a stressed frame member (this is the top tube after all!) and heat sink while the batteries drains.

Joe Bob 10-09-2013 02:07 PM

I was thinking a rear mounted Blackburn kind of rack with a lockable rack, slide on rails and an electrical quick disconnect. Off bike charging capability.

Like to find sources for the hub motor. 36 volts...where did you get that specification?

Joe Bob 10-09-2013 02:09 PM

Blurb sheet fails to mention some items...


Speed


« USA » Mode Engaged : 20 mph
« Competition » Mode Engaged : 50 mph




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Performance


Range : Up to 50 miles
Noise @ 50 km/h : 65 dB




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Power


« USA » Peak Power Engaged : 750 Watts
« Competition » Peak Power Engaged : 4.500 Watts




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Electrical


Motor Type : Brushless DC
Battery Type : LiFePO4/800 cycle
Battery Capacity : 1.5kWh
Recharge Time : 2 hours
Charge : Standard 110-240V


Drive Train


Transmission : 9 Speed sequential gearbox




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Suspension


Front Travel Standard : 180mm
(upgraded : 200mm)
Rear Travel : 250 mm




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Brakes


Front Hydraulic Standard : 6 pot – 203mm
(upgraded : 8 pot – 203mm)
Rear Hydraulic Standard : 6 pot – 203mm
(upgraded : 8 pot – 203mm)




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Weight


Weight : 116 lbs (env. 53kg)




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Economy


Cost : Less than $.01/mile
Zero Emission

Scooter 10-09-2013 02:20 PM

I rode one of these around for about a year in high school (similar). I got it for free...knew the guy manufacturing them. So much easier to ride than a unicycle (which I used to ride as well.)


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Originally Posted by intakexhaust (Post 7697035)
Hooligans.... ever see one of these? I have one like this in pieces, different company and seat. Good candidate for an electric hub... LOL. Maybe its best I leave it in pieces.

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look 171 10-09-2013 02:53 PM

I would love to put one of those on one of my old road bike and attach a roller to the 2" off my rear wheel and motor pace with a few strong riders. I will get a great workout but so will they. I had a honda 50cc scooter with a home made roller just for that purpose. I use it around the rose bowl with about 10 guys on my tail. These were the non training days (local hammerheads, like Todd would know what I am talking about ). The speed would stay above 30 for the entire 30-40 mile ride. Cops put a stop to that after about 2 weeks later.

intakexhaust 10-09-2013 02:54 PM

Joe Bob- I had a chance to see and try them a few years back. Came across a very old but wise china man... not joking. Anyhow, he was closing his cluttered bike store / workshop with piles of old bike junk but his main interest was electric conversions. It was hard to communicate with him but he had his overseas connections bringing small shipments of motors and related in. Looked like he went thru or escaped a rough era and came to the states. Neat guy though and too bad he closed. I might still have his card w/ phone. Anyhow he said the 350 watt was plenty but suggested 450 watt for heavier people or loaded bikes. Battery pack and controller were on a rear rack and some slung under the top tube. He was pricing the components to make a kit (less batteries) $390 to over $600. If you do some ebay search for the hub kits, look for the China direct sellers. Prices are not bad. Doubt you'll get any tech support or advice but its nothing too far out of radio-shack connect this to that thingy.

The commuter I mentioned earlier on the fast Huffy electric was built by the china man. Hilarious in a way seeing these spindly bikes flying along at 35 - same as typical speed limits in many small towns. Let er' rip

some from Hong Kong:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/24V-36V350w-Electric-e-bike-Brushless-Hub-Motor-Conversion-kit-/261022617365?pt=Cycling_Parts_Accessories&hash=ite m3cc6290f15

http://www.ebay.com/itm/24V-36V350w-Brush-less-Hub-Motor-Electric-Bike-Conversion-kit-Front-Ordinary-B-/200790033218?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ec004 c342

Ready to go kits from China (batt's and built wheel) - funny how they mention 'German quality'???
http://www.ebay.com/itm/36V180-350W-electric-bike-bicycle-motor-conversion-kit-with-36V9AH-Li-on-battery-/251338064095?pt=Cycling_Parts_Accessories&hash=ite m3a84ea80df

1000 watt / 48V - seems low priced
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1000W-48V-ELECTRIC-BICYCLE-e-BIKE-Conversion-ENGINE-MOTOR-Scooter-kit-2013-NEW-/141069062328?pt=Cycling_Parts_Accessories&hash=ite m20d85f10b8

700C laced up
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Crystalyte-408-rear-drive-motor-for-e-bike-laced-in-a-700C-rim-/221294665378?pt=Cycling_Parts_Accessories&hash=ite m3386309ea2

In PA. Lead acid batt's, 500watt ready to go kits. Speeds to 28 MPH. Listing seller seems more informative and realistic.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Electric-Bike-Conversion-Kit-System-Geared-FRONT-700c-with-36v-9ah-SLA-battery-/251321270598?pt=Cycling_Parts_Accessories&hash=ite m3a83ea4146

intakexhaust 10-10-2013 11:40 AM

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Joe Bob 10-10-2013 02:41 PM

$330 ish on Amazon, free shipping. 26.5 lbs......a bit of a tank but steel frame and made in Venice CA supposedly. One of six colors. Not a fan on the bars but.......

Amazon.com: Sole Bicycles El Tigre Bicycle: Sports & Outdoors

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Joe Bob 10-10-2013 02:42 PM

A vid on fixies....

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URY914 10-10-2013 05:50 PM

This is a cool thread.

URY914 10-10-2013 06:38 PM

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