Originally Posted by jyl (Post 7214029)

Need to provide more information. Has he earned $150MM from that ghost-written homework?
No but has a damn good high pay job in the public sector.

Lied about it publicly hundreds of times?
Flaunts their credentials in the public record.

Lied under oath about it repeatedly?
I don't know, maybe if ever asked to witness.

Sued people who challenged him about it, gotten them fired or ruined?
I'd say yes or they would do this, that's why I'm being careful.

Gotten millions of people to donate hundreds of millions to his charity?
Change it to "Gotten thousands of people to donate millions to his charity?" then it would be yes.

Used the homework to keep his CEO job for seven years?
Yes.

Beaten dozens of other worthy candidates who didn't have faked homework, driven them to low-level jobs or out of the industry?
Most likely.

Originally Posted by kevin993 (Post 7213691)

The strategy seems pretty simple to me:

1) I just wanted to ride - everybody else that organized or administered the sport were responsible for the rules and testing. They did such an awful job that us riders couldn't be clean and complete. You can't really blame the teams and riders (and me) because we (I) had no choice.
2) The organizers had to know once riders started to use PEDs, but they had a good thing going. They had testing for PR purposes, but wanted us to keep our mouths shut to avoid upsetting their sport. If we said anything to upset the sport, they would find a way to use a negative test to ban us and we wouldn't be able to ride.
3) Since doping was permitted in the "real" rules, we had to make the best of those rules. We had sponsors to look after, employees to take care of and bills to pay - we had obligations, so we had no choice but to use PEDs if those were the "real" rules that the organizers and administrators were going to apply.
4) Yes, I gave reporters and whistle-blowers a hard time about PEDs, but I was just reflecting the pressure that I got from the organizers and administrators of the sport. They looked to me as a leader and I got caught up in enforcing the code of silence that was keeping the sport going.
5) Given all that, I was just doing the best I could in the context of a flawed sport. I didn't make the rules, but had to abide by the rules if I wanted to ride. Everybody else got so greedy.
6) In retrospect, I acknowledge that things happened and mistakes were made. Individual teams or riders aren't worth talking about because they (we) were all in a similar position. However, is there anybody in the organization or administration of the sport that you'd like me to talk about? They're the real culprits - us riders are just victims that got swept up in all the madness.

Originally Posted by tcar (Post 11095011)

He did for the TdF on TV, and riding in general, what Tiger did for golf on TV and golfing in general.

Both very suddenly adios for unpleasant reasons.

Originally Posted by island911 (Post 11094745)

Years on bump.

I do remember thinking, Lance has that freakishly huge lung capacity, so his winning checks out. And No WAY anyone would go to such extremes to cheat. I mean, for a bicycle race? And yet industrial level cheating happens. Banking clean blood so he could spoof the test? The switcheroo transfusions he had endure... The people paid off or intimidated to go along with the ruse... Force to proclaim, there is no cheating. No Way...

Imagine if this level of cheating happened in other places. Like say, dog racing... or VW emissions... Nah, people would never have such elaborate cheating schemes. Bicycle racing is alone in massive fraud. If the media says someone won a race, they won the race. End of story. there is no cheating. No Way...