Has Lance tainted everything???
 

I can't help but feel that the actions of Lance Armstrong have tainted just about every elite athlete or event.

So for instance, when I see "someone" like Hussein Bolt devastate the opposition I can't help but feel there's something fishy going on.
Is Serena Williams "too good"? She dominates and destroys her opposition. I don't think I've ever seen another player do that like she does!

I'm not saying Hussein or Serena are using drugs but there's always that nagging feeling I can't ignore. :confused:

I'll get past it but still you have to ask yourself the question. How many elite athletes active right now or from the past have got away with using performance enhancing drugs?

When Ben Johnson got caught it basically "spoilt" those particular Olympics and he paid for that big time.

There's a major story right now in Australia about wide spread drug use at the top levels of sport of our athletes.
There's a Government sponsored investigation going on and there's talk of organised crime involvement.

If only Lance had followed this advice:

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HA, just wait until they start testing NFL players.....lol

Lance is the current poster boy but he can hardly be accused of "tainting" something that's already thoroughly corrupt.

That some people will cheat to win - shouldn't be a surprise to us, and shouldn't diminish our appreciation of the others.

That some sports were so poorly governed, that the top finisher for a decade cheated, his whole team cheated, the next five or ten finishers cheated, maybe half of the peloton would have cheated if they'd had the means or access, and all this went on under the firmly pinched nose of the sport's governing body, and had to be unearthed by outsiders e.g. French police (Festina), USADA (Armstrong), while the UCI actually gave doping cyclists briefings on how the testing - programs would be conducted - that *should* be a surprise to us.

One at a time, each sport should be torn down and rebuilt, from a doping perspective. I don't need absolute certainty that an event is dope-free, a very high probability is enough. That is as good or better than you get on anything in life.

I think this is sort of an eye into the world we live in. I suspect nowdays everything is tainted in some way: sports = drugs & fixing outcomes; banking - selling products bad for the investor & doing things to increase your profits over the good of investors, politics - what can't you say about that; corporations - lying about their operations, cooking the books on taxes, etc.; stock market - insider trading, etc.; students - cheating on exams; schools - cooking the books on test results and so on , & so on. Think of it & you won't be surprised at athlets using performance enhancing drugs.

Unfortunately, what Marv said....

Bingo! He was not the first nor will be the last...

He wasn't the first, he won't be the last. What galls me is when atheletes do get caught, the portray themselves as victims. We are very forgiving as a culture. Books, TV appearances, the lecture circuit and other avenues give most a 2nd chance.

I think the only suckers are (us) who support atheles as being 'special'.

European pro cyclists have been doping for decades. All of them. Lance didn't taint the sport - but he surely and purposefully ruined the lives of many that put their trust in him and/or called him a friend.

The question should be, is there AY professional sport that the contestants have not used PED at some point in their life.

Sadly it starts younger and younger every year.

^^^
bowling?
billards?
darts?
f class shooting

you said taint

i've heard that the estimate for olympic records is something on the order of 90% of them were set by athletes that were doping.

I'm with Red-beard over this.


Cheats are cheats. Nothing else.


Drug of choice - Tacos!

This is our cycling group in Houston

bicycle, Tour de Taco Home

I love it.

It's a shame we don't live in the same town. My GF would love to cycle with you guys. She did half of the big cycle race they have around here called the Taupo Challenge. And she said "Stuff everyone else; I'm stopping halfway 'round and having a picnic."

Well stated...

And don't forget 'bout them "rock stars"...they've been doping for decades :D

No offense mon...

TAINT

"A trace of a bad or undesirable quality or substance: "the taint of corruption"

He lied for over a decade and never tested positive. What else would you call it?

Joke must not translate into Aussie...

So let me in on it. :cool:

Area between your twig and berries and yer cornhole = taint or seam

I didn't know :rolleyes:

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Say taint so, Joe
Jim

No, everything else was already tainted;

Banks, Politicians, Government, Multi National Companies Big, City Law Enforcement Department, TV, Angie's list and so on...

I put Angie's list because they had a report on the news yesterday that a local plumber that was highly recommended end-up # 138 on the list right after he decline to buy $10,000+ advertisement on site...

Just FYI, it's Usain Bolt, not Hussein Bolt. He is from Jamaica, not Afghanistan :)

Cycling is at the extreme end of doping, IMHO. I don't consider every sport to be tainted just because of Lance.

Beevis and Butthead voice?
 

mind in gutter... but can't head but hear their voice when reading your reply

taint balls, taint butt-hole.... :D

Greed has always been part of mankind..
It's just not as in your face as it used to be when the Biggest and baddest bully took what he wanted and beated the lesser ones up around the campfire.

That kind of greed has been pushed back by the so called civilised society.. It's for the most part illegal now, and for the other part frowned upon.

So now you get rationalized greed.
I dope because all the others cheat.
I get rich with dodgy banking procedures because if i don't , the other guy wil do it and i will be left out.
I get myself in debt beyond reason and then declar bancrupcy, because well the bankers are to blame anyway

etc
etc
etc

It's Greed & lack of morals.

yup

Well I would like to ring in here, there should be a box at sign up for the individual sports that simply states

On the Juice / Not on the Juice I don't really care if someone is on the juice or not it improves my viewing let just be upfront about it. I have met Lance, he seemed to be a guy I would go drinking with.

Steve the other half of Angela

I got tainted once, it wasn't by Lance!

The doping level goes all the way down

Pool tournaments can be endurance events of sorts...1st matches begin at 8:00 A.M., final matches of the day into the wee hours of the morning. In large happenings, like the Derby City Classic, this goes on for a week or so. Yeah, drugs are used by some. Lots of energy drinks, etc. Funny thing tho...the top players have learned to pace themselves, take naps, etc. Those using chemical aids usually wind up losing because of the shakes.

My "honorary nephew" Matt doesn't do drugs, booze, or tobacco...no caffeine in any form, etc. He went through the masters singles division undefeated at the west coast BCA championships held last November in Lincoln City, Oregon. He & a lady from Washington state took first in scotch doubles as well. So, clean & sober works for Matt.

Brings to mind when Babe Ruth set his home run record - his supposed drugs of choice were beer & hot-dogs. Gotta love that.

Cheers
JB

and George Foreman on cheeseburgers.