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masraum 06-04-2013 12:13 PM

What's the deal with making covers of older songs?
 
The missus and I had lunch today at PF Changs, and I heard 2 different Hall and Oats covers. I was wondering why they wouldn't have used the originals. Is it cheaper to have an unknown group pay a licensing fee and then pay them a lump sum than it would be to pay Hall and Oats royalties? I think I also heard "Under the Milky Way" by the Church, and I think it was the original.

I was wondering if it was a financial thing, or possibly just that they didn't want to sound too retro or old and so went with a fresh remake.

I guess an add-on to this question is how expensive is it to be able to legally cover someone elses' song? Is covering a Beatles or Stones song a lot more expensive than another smaller group? Do you just pay a one time fee or do you pay per play? I've always been curious about that stuff.

Aragorn 06-04-2013 01:07 PM

Musac has been in elevators for decades.

I know that some songs in movies are not by the original artists but sound awfully close. Think it is either a licensing problem or movie budget problem.

On another note some covers outshine the originals:

20 Famous Songs You Didn't Know Were Covers | VH1 Tuner

scottmandue 06-04-2013 02:08 PM

It is a imagination thing... as in lack of... I don't blame the artist but the media/producers/bean counters.

Besides music when was the last time you saw an original movie or TV show plot?

widebody911 06-04-2013 02:11 PM

The bigger question is why would someone do a cover of a Hall and Oates song in the first place?

scottmandue 06-04-2013 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by widebody911 (Post 7481110)
The bigger question is why would someone do a cover of a Hall and Oates song in the first place?

Not that there is anything wrong with that

craigster59 06-04-2013 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by widebody911 (Post 7481110)
The bigger question is why would someone do a cover of a Hall and Oates song in the first place?

They put out a lot of good material and Live From Daryl's House is very popular. Check out Cee Lo Green.....

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Baz 06-04-2013 02:43 PM

Is this a trick question?

Covers are done of Hall and Oates (plus many other fantastic artists from that era) because their music is iconic.

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While on the Hall and Oates subject.....the best part about the Daryl's House series - is the music itself. Toss in some talented artists and interesting variations on the original versions and it just doesn't get any better....

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Baz 06-04-2013 02:44 PM

Craig and I are on the same page....the train is leaving the station...either you are on or you are off. :)

mikeesik 06-04-2013 03:01 PM

That was great.

Aragorn 06-04-2013 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Baz (Post 7481153)
Craig and I are on the same page....the train is leaving the station...either you are on or you are off. :)

Hall & Oats had some really good songs but the kicker for me was they had one of the best group of studio musicians to back them up. T-Bone, G. E. Smith and Mickey Curry were some of the best around. You knew it was a Hall & Oats song just by the hook. They had a certain "in the pocket" style that was all their own. A mix of blues, rock, soul and jazz could be found in the background canvas of all their hits.

Daryl's House is just an expansion on how good music is made better with great artists playing it well.

Aragorn 06-04-2013 03:21 PM

I think another reason why they use covers by other artists in movies at least is the original song doesn't fit the tone of the movie. In Meet Joe Black, the re-imagined version of Over the Rainbow fits better than using Judy Garland's version from The Wizard of Oz.

nostatic 06-04-2013 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masraum (Post 7480899)
The missus and I had lunch today at PF Changs, and I heard 2 different Hall and Oats covers. I was wondering why they wouldn't have used the originals. Is it cheaper to have an unknown group pay a licensing fee and then pay them a lump sum than it would be to pay Hall and Oats royalties? I think I also heard "Under the Milky Way" by the Church, and I think it was the original.

I was wondering if it was a financial thing, or possibly just that they didn't want to sound too retro or old and so went with a fresh remake.

I guess an add-on to this question is how expensive is it to be able to legally cover someone elses' song? Is covering a Beatles or Stones song a lot more expensive than another smaller group? Do you just pay a one time fee or do you pay per play? I've always been curious about that stuff.

Anyone can get a "mechanical license" to record a cover version of a song. It is fairly cheap (The Harry Fox Agency) so "soundalikes" will do that then sell their version to other places who don't want to get a performance license from the original artist (which could be big $$$).

Hall and Oates are awesome. Sara Smile is one of the great pop songs of all time.

widebody911 06-04-2013 06:09 PM

I prefer Garfunkel & Oates

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Arizona 911 06-04-2013 09:11 PM

I don't know how to post videos but there is a band called Nicki Bluhm & the Gramblers that do a great cover of " I cant go for that". They play inside their van while on the road between gigs. They have a bunch of van sessions on you tube.

LeeH 06-04-2013 09:51 PM

Sometimes the remake is just better.

"Some Nights" by Fun is a song that's overplayed on the radio and makes me change the station.

Remake by up and coming band, Walk Off The Earth, that I could listen to over and over:

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dyusem 06-05-2013 04:58 AM

Cover songs flood digital music services as artists of all stripes try to build fan b
 
Cover songs flood digital music services as artists of all stripes try to build fan base - The Washington Post

red-beard 06-05-2013 05:43 AM

If you look at Led Zeppelin I, it is almost all covers...or very modified versions of other artists songs and blues standards.

Seahawk 06-05-2013 06:57 AM

Thanks, Baz!

I had never heard of the singer, Rumer.

Are her albums worth buying...her voice is so well controlled and appropriately understated.

I saw this after your video in the post above ended. Excellent.


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Joe Bob 06-05-2013 11:22 AM

Raj's new GF....

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flipper35 06-05-2013 12:31 PM

I like the Bangles version of Hazy Shade of Winter better than Simon and Garfunkle's but most times the original is better. Then again, some of Wierd Al's are as entertaining as the original.

Joe Bob 06-05-2013 12:38 PM

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Joe Bob 06-05-2013 12:51 PM

Who's this? Don't look at the properties or google.....

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oldE 06-05-2013 01:45 PM

Having written a few songs myself (no, nothing you've heard, unless you frequent Annaapolis Royal), I think I might be able to offer perspective on the question.

In a way, I write songs about things I know or have made an impression on me. But there is a whole world out there and sometimes someone else's expression of their experience or feeling touches you and you want to 'pay tribute' to the artist who crafted that.

If you are lucky, you are able to add an expression which enhances the original message. If not, hey! You learned a new song.

Besides, I don't have enough original music for a two hour gig. :D

Best
Les

Baz 06-05-2013 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Seahawk (Post 7482150)
Thanks, Baz!

I had never heard of the singer, Rumer.

Are her albums worth buying...her voice is so well controlled and appropriately understated.

I saw this after your video in the post above ended. Excellent.


You're welcome Paul but I don't deserve any credit - I just posted what I have been listening to - obviously you have GREAT taste! :D

You are right, Rumer has an amazing voice and singing ability.

For me a cross between Dusty Springfield and Diana Krall.

Which is pretty amazing if you had such a thing!

She has her own channel on You Tube:

Here she is covering Neil:

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masraum 06-05-2013 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baz (Post 7481150)
While on the Hall and Oates subject.....the best part about the Daryl's House series - is the music itself. Toss in some talented artists and interesting variations on the original versions and it just doesn't get any better....

I listened to a handful of the Daryl's House songs, good stuff!
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Quote:

Originally Posted by Seahawk (Post 7482150)
Thanks, Baz!

I had never heard of the singer, Rumer.

Are her albums worth buying...her voice is so well controlled and appropriately understated.

I saw this after your video in the post above ended. Excellent.


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I agree, she's got a very nice crystal clear voice, and she's not trying to overpower everything in site with it. She reminds me a little bit of a singer that my mother used to listen to, Anne Murray.
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Originally Posted by Joe Bob (Post 7482619)

I thought the same thing. Hilarious!

Joe Bob 06-05-2013 10:27 PM

So....Steve....who is this?

Nobody else wants to play....

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Aragorn 06-06-2013 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Bob (Post 7483595)
So....Steve....who is this?

Nobody else wants to play....

Her haircut and clothing suggest late 70's early 80's but outside of that I don't know enough to hazard a guess yet.

How about a few hints?

Like any famous parents... movie or show her music was connected with... style of music she played or covered. Just some kind of hint to get the ball rolling. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/jump.gif

Joe Bob 06-06-2013 12:40 PM

OEM of the Bangles.....

Seahawk 06-06-2013 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baz (Post 7483293)
For me a cross between Dusty Springfield and Diana Krall.

Which is pretty amazing if you had such a thing!

Again, thanks.

She reminded me of Brazil 66, which was many albums on my Dad's reel to reel when I was a kid.

As Lenny Bruce said, the weakest link in the stereo system was the human ear:cool:

Great thread.

javadog 06-06-2013 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Bob (Post 7484517)
OEM of the Bangles.....

Original bass player, the red-headed one...

JR

VaSteve 06-06-2013 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nostatic (Post 7481210)
Anyone can get a "mechanical license" to record a cover version of a song. It is fairly cheap (The Harry Fox Agency) so "soundalikes" will do that then sell their version to other places who don't want to get a performance license from the original artist (which could be big $$$).

Hall and Oates are awesome. Sara Smile is one of the great pop songs of all time.

The Harry Fox Agency is the group that tried to shut down Olga and some of the other guitar tab sites. Now I guess I see why.


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