Arrow in a deers head?

[Jeff Higgins]

Poor kitty my ass - domestic and feral cats are by far the most destructive predators on urban and suburban wildlife extant today. They kill for fun, just for the hell of it. They kill anything and everything smaller than themselves. Beyond their wanton killing, they are also destructive nuisances when allowed to run loose. If cat owners do not want their cats shot, they need to be responsible owners and leave them indoors. Otherwise they are fair game.

I would call this one hell of a lucky kitty - let's hope its second chance with a new owner will find it cared for a bit more responsibly. If not, I hope the next guy is a better shot.

And no, this has absolutely nothing to do with hunting. This is pest control, pure and simple. An entirely different matter.

[Nostril Cheese]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Poor kitty my ass - domestic and feral cats are by far the most destructive predators on urban and suburban wildlife extant today. They kill for fun, just for the hell of it. They kill anything and everything smaller than themselves. Beyond their wanton killing, they are also destructive nuisances when allowed to run loose. If cat owners do not want their cats shot, they need to be responsible owners and leave them indoors. Otherwise they are fair game.
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This. They are predators. And stupid ones at that.

[daepp]

I thought it was an excepted fact, even by environmentalists, that the deer population needed to be thinned else they will starve.

[930LDR]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

I'm certainly no liberal and I'd fully support a ban of such a sort. In fact I think so-called "sport hunting" ought to be completely outlawed. It's sick, primitive and barbaric. If someone is hunting to survive that's one thing - unfortunate but it probably does happen and I sincerely doubt that's the case here.

I'd like to think we as a society have evolved past whoopin' it up over the "sport" of blowing some defenseless animal's brains out for absolutely no reason whatsoever. I've got news for the redneck/poop-kickers out there - it isn't a sport at all. Give the animals a way to shoot back - THEN you've got yourselves a "sport".

What he said ^^

I look at that deer and see my dog.

[lowyder993s]

Originally Posted by 930LDR

NOTWhat he said ^^

I look at that deer and see my dog.

I see dinner. That is a F'ed up shot from a recurve bow.

Totally senseless.

[MT930]

Friend found this in a deer he harvested with a rifle. He took it to the state Fish & Game Dept dept to show them.

The field pathologist looked at it, and felt it had been in the scull 1 or 2 seasons

The broad head point on the brain side was only protruding 2-3 MM. He said they see this a lot. He said I bet that was a hell of a headache until February

As a bow hunter I hate to see this type of thing. Couple More foot pounds of energy would have turned the deer off like a switch.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by 930LDR

What he said ^^

I look at that deer and see my dog.

Your dog must be pretty nervous.

[Buckterrier]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Humans are by far the most destructive predators on urban and suburban wildlife extant today. They kill for fun, just for the hell of it. They kill anything and everything smaller & larger than themselves. Beyond their wanton killing, they are also destructive nuisances when allowed to run loose.

Here fixed it for you Jeff

[targa911S]

HA HA! good one!

[Gretch]

Originally Posted by Porchdog

That cat was shot with a cross bow bolt with a field tip. It's pretty unlikely that was used by a hunter. There are always idiots - some of them torture or kill pet cats.

Somebody had a bad or unlucky shot. It happens. Worse things happen to deer, with or without human involvement.

People who don't understand the order of predator and prey just don't understand life.

I agree with this assessment. It had to be a VERY long shot, or a deflected one. A (hunting class) cross bow launched bolt has quite a bit more energy then a compound bow launched arrow. That bolt under normal conditions would have gone through that cat and continued on for quite a distance if unobstructed. the field point is seen just exiting said kitty. Weird dynamics there......

Note the end of the bolt in the middle of the fletch, is broken. There is generally a requirement for name and address being written on the fletch in most states. Note the writing on the one in the picture.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by Buckterrier

Here fixed it for you Jeff

Pretty sad view of humanity, Mark. I know it's a popular one today, especially amongst the hand-wringing ninny greenies of today. It's their modern version of the "I'm but a poor, miserable sinner" view of the Puritans and their kind. Folks who chant this modern mantra have adopted being "green" as their new salvation in place of the Bible thumpers' Jesus Christ, but they both serve the same purpose of making their practitioners feel all enlightened and superior. They are equally deluded. Equally obnoxious.

Yes, there are men who kill wantonly, just for fun. Surely, even a guy like you can grasp that they are not the norm, and are seen by the rest of us as outlyers. We do our best to contain them. In sharp contrast, with domestic and feral cats this behavior is the norm. Allowed to run loose, every last single one of them will do it at any opportunity. Their irresponsible owners make no effort to contain them. Pretty easy for most of us to understand the difference. Most of us...

[widebody911]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Yes, there are men who kill wantonly, just for fun. Surely, even a guy like you can grasp that they are not the norm, and are seen by the rest of us as outlyers.

I'll bet there are a lot more than you think; I'd go as far as to say the responsible ones are the corner cases.

[72doug2,2S]

Sad he wasn't a better shot. This is my favorite venison dish. The sweetness of the venison nicely complements the cheese dip. Wouldn't be a Christmas party without it.





Ingredients
1/2 c Venison sausage, Finely Chopped
2 pkg cream cheese, room temperature
1/8 tsp chives, finely chopped
Walnuts or Pecans, Finely Chopped

Directions
1 Combine in a bowl, venison sausage, cream cheese, chives.
2 Once combined, roll into a ball form, roll in walnuts or pecans if desired. Then roll in plastic wrap and place in fridge for atleast 2 hours.
3 Really nice cheese ball with water crackers or a nice crusty sour dough bread.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by widebody911

I'll bet there are a lot more than you think; I'd go as far as to say the responsible ones are the corner cases.

You must be refering to hunters. I was addressing the human population as a whole.

I'm not sure how much exposure you have to hunters, or how much time you have spent in a hunting camp. I know the irresponsible, beer guzzling, "here - hold my beer..." redneck is very much the stereotype among those with no experience hunting or with hunters. They are certainly the most visible to non-hunters. They do a great deal to tarnish the image of the sport. I'm not sure what we can do about that.

I've spent a great deal of time with hunters and in hunting camps. In my experience, these losers are certainly not the norm. I've seen them, and I've seen their aftermath. There is no more despised group of people than these when discussing the matter among serious, ethical hunters. There is no more despised group of people among the game enforcement agents in the field. Together, we do our best to contain or eliminate this group. I don't think it's ever going to happen, but we are doing our best. No one likes the image they portray. We all realize it taints all of us, especially among non-hunters.

Funny, too, in that the most strident non-hunters, the folks who go as far as being anti-hunting are, for the most part, quite liberal. And proud of it. These folks pride themselves on their open minds, their acceptance of others, their ability to look past stereotypes, their reluctance to pass judgement over an entire group based on the behavior of a few, and on and on. At no time does all of that fly out the window more quickly than when these self righteous liberal anti-hunters are discussing hunters. The blind hatred, the sheer mindless emotion with which they approach this one topic is in sharp contrast with the lifestyle and attitude they in which they take so much pride. Odd. Hypocritical, really.

[Taz's Master]

I wonder if more wildlife is killed/injured by hunters or drivers.

[ramonesfreak]

I agree with you. I have no ethical issue with hunting.

However, I have no idea why bow hunting is legal.

I understand that it's a challenge. However I look upon bow hunters the same way I look upon fisherman targeting big fish using ultralight gear and line, necessitating having the fish exhaust itself by fighting a loose drag for an hour only to eventually break off and then float to the surface dead.

10 or 12 years ago I shot a nice buck (dropped in his tracks) and when I was looking him over he had an arrow head stuck in his skull just behind the right antler. It is a shame when people make a poor shot, weather with a bow or a gun and the animal has to suffer. I use a shotgun (with full sights) and I refuse to shoot if it will not drop it dead. I have passed up hundreds of deer over my long hunting years (40+) because of my personal convictions. Unfortunately there are many hunters that do not use good judgement. They take questionable shots in low light conditions and then cannot complete the tracking of the animal that they have grievously wounded.



I am not a fan of bow hunting because it doesn't give a quick death, it provides in most cases a mortal wounding. Think about it. Why are hunters regressing with their weapons ? Is the slingshot or bolo the next big thing for these folks ? Do they feel good about making something suffer ? I enjoy watching the deer as much as I enjoy the hunt itself. They are fascinating animals. Even the native American peoples dropped the bow when the guns was available.





I sure this will draw some very strong conjecture, but it is my opinion. Like it or lump it.

[lowyder993s]

Originally Posted by Taz's Master

I wonder if more wildlife is killed/injured by hunters or drivers.

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[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

They kill anything and everything smaller than themselves. Beyond their wanton killing, they are also destructive nuisances when allowed to run loose. If cat owners do not want their cats shot, they need to be responsible owners and leave them indoors. Otherwise they are fair game.

Cat hater much?

Dogs do/are exactly the same... I presume you also advocate the random torture/shooting of dogs too?

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by scottmandue

Cat hater much?

Dogs do/are exactly the same... I presume you also advocate the random torture/shooting of dogs too?

I love me some cats...I was just up at the barn feeding the barn cats and rubbing on 'em. They don't need much food, it is just my time to pet them. They are both neutered. We also have a house cat, almost 12 years old.

I love me some dogs, too. I have three. They are laying on my feet as I type.

But feral cats and dogs aren't pets. I treat them differently and I have shot them. I had a Jack Russel literally skinned in front of me by a pack of feral dogs.

Any feral cat that moves in gets shot. Dogs I judge by their demeanor first.

In whatever suburb you live in I know that is all barbaric.

Same as it ever was.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by scottmandue

Cat hater much?

Dogs do/are exactly the same... I presume you also advocate the random torture/shooting of dogs too?

I love cats - I grew up with them, and the only reason I have not had a cat or two recently is because one of my sons is very alergic to them. How do you think we found that out? Nope, sorry - no problem with cats here - just their irresponsible owners. Just like dogs, which I also love - and can continue to own, since no one in the house is alergic. But that isn't the point here, now is it?

And, no - dogs do not do exactly the same thing. The toll exacted on urban and suburban wildlife by cats is fairly well documented, as it is with dogs. It's not even close. There are a number of reasons why, but two come readily to mind: Dogs are not nearly as good at it, and dog owners have long ago accepted the fact that they cannot just let them run loose all the time.

Dog owners are far more apt to keep them under control, either in the house, the yard, or on a leash. Cat owners still seem to believe it is their God-given right to just let them run free. There is a distinct difference in attitude towards cats vs. dogs, often with the same owner. What is routine with the cat would never be considered with the dog.

In the rare instance I see a dog running loose, my assumption is that it is doing so without the knowledge and consent of its owner. I'll do my best to get it to come to me, check for a collar, and try to contact the owner. Not so with cats - cats rarely sneak out, they are almost universally let out by their owners. Far different set of circumstances.

No, I don't advocate "random" anything. Disposing of predatory, destructive free roaming cats is not "random" in the least. It is very directed - directed at a nuisance population owned by irresponsible pet owners, who clearly should not keep pets anyway. Responsible cat owners who keep them under control have nothing to fear. If this were "random", as you claim, they would.

And, finally, I defy you to show us where I advocate the torture of anything. Why is this assignment of such heinous attributes so common in these kinds of discussions? I see it all the time, right here on PPOT (admittedly, more on PARF - that's one of the reasons I no longer go there). It's quite childish, and adds nothing to the discussion.

It looks like you are simply wrong on all counts. Maybe that's why you decided to lash out so. You knew you were wrong before you even posted.