777 down

[widgeon13]

Too bad someone didn't have "Siri" activated...........

Saying, "Planes overhead?" to Siri, she will provide you with information about what's up there right now.

[JJ 911SC]

Originally Posted by RWebb

can a single ship with a towed array do phase detection for direction location?

Probably has been done already but like someone said earlier, no Navy will admit to anything

[futuresoptions]

My mind never rests, I came up with a theory the other night while trying to fall asleep listening to CNN. What if it did go down like in the Sullenberger incident and had enough buoyancy to where it did not sink all the way to the bottom and was basically flying in water? Almost like how a BC works on a diver. The currents would just carry it around the world like a under water Mary Celeste....

[Heel n Toe]

Originally Posted by futuresoptions

My mind never rests, I came up with a theory the other night while trying to fall asleep listening to CNN. What if it did go down like in the Sullenberger incident and had enough buoyancy to where it did not sink all the way to the bottom and was basically flying in water? Almost like how a BC works on a diver. The currents would just carry it around the world like a under water Mary Celeste....

Someone tweeted/emailed a question in to a CNN panel a week or so ago asking if an intact water landing was possible in that Southern area of the Indian Ocean. The answer is no, you need water at least as smooth as the Hudson.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by RWebb

can a single ship with a towed array do phase detection for direction location?

Yes, depending on length of contact. Target Motion Analysis.

Search TACTAS 19. http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/weaps/an-sqr-19.htm

[JavaBrewer]

Originally Posted by Heel n Toe

Someone tweeted/emailed a question in to a CNN panel a week or so ago asking if an intact water landing was possible in that Southern area of the Indian Ocean. The answer is no, you need water at least as smooth as the Hudson.

And even then the chances of touching a hard surface (wingtip) resulting in an airframe destroying cartwheel is very high. That Sulley put that US Airways Airbus down so cleanly was a combination of wonderful luck and strong pilot skills/experience.

[URY914]

[cashflyer]

[sc_rufctr]

Watch live on CNN: Australian officials are scheduled to hold a news conference at 11 p.m. ET with an update on the search for Flight 370.

Authorities reduced the size of the search area on Tuesday, a day after they said that an Australian navy ship towing U.S. equipment had detected underwater pulses that could possibly be from the Malaysia Airlines plane's black boxes.

[Heel n Toe]

China is in the lead re: the search for The Ping.

[aap1966]

Watching the press conference announcing the detection of (possible) flight recorder pings , some "journalist" asked (apparently seriously) about whether this raised optimism for finding survivors.

I don't know what mean immersion survival time in the southern Indian Ocean is this time of year, but I doubt it's a month.

[sc_rufctr]

32 days later... No wreckage, no sign, nothing!

Just chasing "pings" that may have stopped. The batteries would be very low if not exhausted.
We really need some good luck right about now.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Heel n Toe

Someone tweeted/emailed a question in to a CNN panel a week or so ago asking if an intact water landing was possible in that Southern area of the Indian Ocean. The answer is no, you need water at least as smooth as the Hudson.

Actually, what you would need is a pilot that wanted to save the lives of the passengers. Not likely, given that this particular pilot went out of his way to fly the plane somewhere remote where he could kill them all and hide the plane.

JR

[stuartj]

Originally Posted by Heel n Toe

China is in the lead re: the search for The Ping.

Wow, you just gave me, and Im sure many others, quite a Little Golden Book flash back moment. -)

[stuartj]

Originally Posted by javadog

Actually, what you would need is a pilot that wanted to save the lives of the passengers. Not likely, given that this particular pilot went out of his way to fly the plane somewhere remote where he could kill them all and hide the plane.

JR

So far, there seems no evidence for this. The crew deserves the benefit of the doubt until known otherwise.

[javadog]

There's a fair amount of evidence for this, if you think about it. The longer you think about it, the more you realize that no other explanation works.

JR

[stuartj]

Originally Posted by javadog

There's a fair amount of evidence for this, if you think about it. The longer you think about it, the more you realize that no other explanation works.

JR

It cant, and shouldn't, be discounted. But what is the evidence at this time? I know two pilots, one on 747s, the other on 777. Both think a calamitous incident, cargo or cockpit fire, is the more likely explanation.

Time will -may- tell.

[javadog]

They made a turn west. One of two possibilities there; they had an emergency and were diverting to an alternate airport, or it was a deliberate and nefarious act and my theory rules. If it was an emergency, it either incapacitated the pilots, or it did not. If they were incapacitated, the plane would not have turned south by itself and flown towards Australia. It would have kept heading west. If the pilots were not incapacitated, they would not have flown the plane where it ended up. They would have tried to land it. Only one conclusion, really.

Feel free to add in all of the other mysterious details that occurred in the first two hours. It's really hard to explain all of those away, unless you have a rogue pilot.

When it's all said and done, I think you'll find the course that was flown in the first three hours very interesting, and a lot more convoluted than what I have written here. I think the pilot was evading the radar coverage as best he could.

JR

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by javadog

They made a turn west. One of two possibilities there; they had an emergency and were diverting to an alternate airport, or it was a deliberate and nefarious act and my theory rules. If it was an emergency, it either incapacitated the pilots, or it did not. If they were incapacitated, the plane would not have turned south by itself and flown towards Australia. It would have kept heading west. If the pilots were not incapacitated, they would not have flown the plane where it ended up. They would have tried to land it. Only one conclusion, really.

Feel free to add in all of the other mysterious details that occurred in the first two hours. It's really hard to explain all of those away, unless you have a rogue pilot.

When it's all said and done, I think you'll find the course that was flown in the first three hours very interesting, and a lot more convoluted than what I have written here. I think the pilot was evading the radar coverage as best he could.

JR

it is fairly easy to get lost, at 30k feet, without instruments or lights, at night, possibly with aircraft malfunctions and control issues ....

[Cajundaddy]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

it is fairly easy to get lost, at 30k feet, without instruments or lights, at night, possibly with aircraft malfunctions and control issues ....

Ummm, probably not for a pilot that has been flying that route for years. Lots of real obvious landmarks northbound at 30k ft.

Anything is possible but it looks like the flight path was changed intentionally from the few crumbs of info we have. A major mechanical issue and course change without a distress call??? Highly unlikely but again... still remotely possible. Commercial pilots don't like to stray from their lanes into possible unknown intersecting traffic.