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Theodore Van Kirk, 93, Enola Gay Navigator, Dies
![]() Captain Van Kirk, left, who was known as Dutch, with Col. Paul W. Tibbets Jr., center, and Maj. Thomas W. Ferebee in 1945 after they flew the Enola Gay to Hiroshima to drop an atomic bomb. Quote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/30/us/30vankirk.html?rref=us&module=ArrowsNav&contentCollection=Politics&action=click®ion=FixedRight&pgtype=article RIP Captain Van Kirk.....
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Ended the war and saved countless thousands of lives on both sides.
But that's not the preferred narrative.
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All of these men had to live with an incredible burden on their souls.
In the interviews I've seen with Tibbets, the man seemed incredibly angry and resentful. The bombing was justified in the context of the times and the mindset of the Japanese people. May these men and all those lost as a result of the war be at peace.
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The Enola Gay crew saved (net) lives.
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How many lives were killed in the fire bombings?
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Agreed and I don't really blame him. There's a good two-part series I recently downloaded on the Apple TV called "Hiroshima" that features a number of interviews from people involved in the atomic bombing from different perspectives including Tibbets, van Kirk, several Japanese survivors, etc. It was done by BBC - highly recommended for anyone interested in the event that changed the world forever more - perhaps even more than ww2 itself did...
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Ok guys, I have a Japanese wife, been to Hiroshima twice, spoke to Japanese residents about it.
Their view is that it was war, the US did what it had to do, the whole war was an abomination as all wars are and Hiroshima was not the most deaths caused, that would be the Tokyo fire bombings. It is always a bit poignant to see Americans at Peace Memorial, they seem somewhat embarrassed and a little quiet....when in fact, they ought to be saying, we aren't proud of it, but we were able to end the worst war in modern times as economically as possible in terms of human lives. I wish I could find the book "Lighter than a Feather" which I read in my youth. It covers the scenario of the US failing to use the A bomb and invading. That would have been far worse for everybody. Dennis PS - just checked Amazon, looks like the book is back |
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Local news covered his death and I thought they did a good job of just explaining the mission and honoring his service. During the funeral procession many many people pulled over to the side of the road to honor him as the hearse drove by. A fitting display of honor in my opinion.
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