Ferrari offers a future concept for F1

[herr_oberst]

To quote Sherman T. Potter from MASH...

"Not enough oh's in smooooooooth!"

[motion]

I'm getting a chubby.

[sc_rufctr]

Wow... Very "prototype" like. Thinking Indy cars maybe

[HardDrive]

I like it, but I need to see the front wing before passing judgment.

[herr_oberst]

[Schumi]

It's like the artist didn't even consult the actual engineers who design the cars before starting to draw.

The wings in the front aren't even close to the shape they would need to be to work. They look quite opposite in fact.

Ugly trash auto sketches that once again I can't believe gets attention, is what this is.

[intakexhaust]

Whatever happened to the purist form of a race craft - minimalistic fuselage and open wheel?

[oldE]

Originally Posted by intakexhaust

Whatever happened to the purist form of a race craft - minimalistic fuselage and open wheel?

The search for more speed through aerodynamics. Once that genii was out of the bottle, there was no putting it back.

That and the small matter of having the drivers survive.
Those (to us) pure and minimalistic tubes with wheels were deathtraps.

Best
Les

[911SauCy]

I've got tingles in my gentleman's region.....

[Aragorn]

I like the overall design in the Ferrari concept. Seems to deal with some of the issues F1 has been having with tire protection and cars launching after wheel to wheel contact.

Also could open up a can of worms for aero design and rules interpretation. More surface area to tweak and massage for better aero grip. If this design is implemented without any form of template or standardization, I see the teams with good aero programs leaving the rest behind.

Would like to see Indy car adopt the Ferrari rear wheel area design instead of the bulbous design they have now. Maybe graft the front wing a little better also.

Just for reference, the current Indy car design.

[tctnd]

I'm with Schumi on this one. It's a styling exercise and nothing more. It has the same relationship to a real race car as the batmobile.
regards,
Phil

[Miguel Antonett]

^^^Batmobile... that's what it is; I was thinking, but it looks like something I've seen before but red... Yep, the batmobile.

[herr_oberst]

I agree with the posters who suggest that it's unworkable, or has a resemblance to hollywood, This is a design study. Nothing more.)
I'm just glad that F1 teams have artists employed in the design office; maybe, eventually, race cars might become beautiful again... Otherwise, it will just be engineers treating us fans to more of this kind of design -

(Somewhat) effective, written to a rulebook but aesthetically hideous:

[Aragorn]

Originally Posted by herr_oberst

I agree with the posters who suggest that it's unworkable, or has a resemblance to hollywood, This is a design study. Nothing more.)
I'm just glad that F1 teams have artists employed in the design office; maybe, eventually, race cars might become beautiful again... Otherwise, it will just be engineers treating us fans to more of this kind of design -

(Somewhat) effective, written to a rulebook but aesthetically hideous:

The 2012 Ferrari's "lego"like design was because of a change in the rules. Still ugly but not as displeasing to the eyes as the Ligier JS5. The ugly, the ugly and ... the very ugly - Top ten ... ugly F1 cars | Formula 1 | F1 features | ESPN F1

[herr_oberst]

Originally Posted by Aragorn

The 2012 Ferrari's "lego"like design was because of a change in the rules. Still ugly but not as displeasing to the eyes as the Ligier JS5. The ugly, the ugly and ... the very ugly - Top ten ... ugly F1 cars | Formula 1 | F1 features | ESPN F1

Right. My point is, by having creative types interacting with the mensa types, hopefully we'll return to an era where we as fans can love the car's beauty as much as it's performance.

[doug_porsche]

this is design study is classical, to me ymmv, Italian design in that you would ask yourself on each and every item:

"Did they do this for function or aesthetics?"

Its a beautiful design study, using Hollywood move prop rules, but I agree with the earlier responses. The aero people would have way too much fun if this were designed to a rule book.

[herr_oberst]

Originally Posted by doug_porsche

The aero people would have way too much fun if this were designed to a rule book.

I'm probably coming across as thick here, missing the plot as it were, but could you explain what you mean?

[pksystems]

Are those 20" wheels ?

[doug_porsche]

Originally Posted by herr_oberst

I'm probably coming across as thick here, missing the plot as it were, but could you explain what you mean?

Sure.

The areo people see every square inch, that they cant get rid of, as an opportunity to tune for down force (or negative lift as they call it) and/or reduce drag.

Some of the (very uneducated) things I see on their virtual car are:

The one major irritation for Adrian Newey on open wheel cars is that the wheel/tire combination creates SO much drag/turbulence. This car has nice wheel fairing helping reduce this.

One of the big aero rules changes for the current generation car, that the people with the wind tunnel struggled to overcome, was the narrowing of the front wing. This caused them to work much harder to try and divert the air around the front tires. (As Steve Matchett said once: You can suggest to the air what you would like it to do, you just cant tell it what to do!)

Formula 1® - The Official F1® Website - Technical - 2014 rule changes - narrow front wings
"For 2014 the width of the front wing will be reduced by 15cm. This will alter the alignment of the wing relative to the front tyres. Previously the wing's 180cm width was the same as the car's total width, so it was relatively easy to design front wing endplates to minimize the drag produced by the tyres."

This car has the front wing back to flush with the outside of the tires, (less turbulence/drag = better airflow control=more down force). It actually looks like they are doubling the square inches of front wing with the bi-plane front wing, but have it at a very low angle of attack. (back to my unjust Italian design principal of "Did they do this for function or aesthetics?)

If you look at the back of the drawing look at the rear diffuser. Many, many square inches at a much more steep angle then what is legal today (heck, if you look the entire car is at a better nose down/butt up aero angle). More under car low drag down force. ( And I am assuming because I do see the exhaust, that a blown diffuser may be easy to slip in. Blown diffuser = Lots of low drag down force)

I would guess (back to my unjust Italian design principal of "Did they do this for function or aesthetics?") that they are assuming that they are creating so much low drag down force under the car, that they can reduce drag even my by using a small angle of attack, single plain, upper rear wing (Or maybe this drawing is for their "Monza" aero settings). Or maybe the small rear wing just looks better

I will sum it up, and quit displaying my poor writing skills, by saying I bet if you ask somebody like Adrian Newey to choose which car to design to try and win the constructors title, (the 2015 rules or this design study), they would pick the design study rules package. (sure the increased speeds and G loads would kill more drivers, but hey! this is for the constructors title, not the drivers title!)

[Captain Ahab Jr]

Originally Posted by Schumi

It's like the artist didn't even consult the actual engineers who design the cars before starting to draw.

The wings in the front aren't even close to the shape they would need to be to work. They look quite opposite in fact.

Ugly trash auto sketches that once again I can't believe gets attention, is what this is.

Sorry but I have to agree 100% with the above

The faired in helmet is BS as the driver needs to turn his head to see what is alongside him

The front wing looks like it directs a most of the air directly at the rotating tyre which is what every aero dude and dudette in F1 tries their hardest to avoid

I'm pretty sure there will be a revolution to the F1 rules in 2017 but it won't look like this, shame as it does look