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dad911 07-10-2016 11:03 AM

DB Cooper revealed tonight?
 
D.B. Cooper: Case Closed? Full Episodes, Video & More | HISTORY

This always fascinated me. Somebody knows something...... either he got away with it, or someone had a family member disapear on that date....

Some of the money was found, I think he must have died in the jump.

mreid 07-10-2016 01:19 PM

Featuring Geraldo Rivera...bahahahaha!

URY914 07-10-2016 01:41 PM

He's hanging out with Jimmy Hoffa in Mexico.

pwd72s 07-10-2016 01:44 PM

I'm in the "died jumping" camp. No body found on land...money found in Columbia river sand. I'm guessing he became fish food...

HardDrive 07-10-2016 01:59 PM

The fact that not one of the bills given to him was ever recovered from the monetary system is a pretty good indication that the never lived to spend the $.

Esel Mann 07-10-2016 02:45 PM

I thought the mystery was settled some time back:
D.B. Cooper Mystery: Marla Cooper's Mom Comes Forward About Brother-in-law - ABC News

Per this, he lost the money in the jump.

WolfeMacleod 07-10-2016 03:09 PM

Who wants to bet it was Aliens?

pwd72s 07-10-2016 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by WolfeMacleod (Post 9193959)
Who wants to bet it was Aliens?

History channel could make a case for that...:rolleyes:

BE911SC 07-10-2016 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mreid (Post 9193826)
Featuring Geraldo Rivera...bahahahaha!

My first thought. :D

red-beard 07-10-2016 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by WolfeMacleod (Post 9193959)
Who wants to bet it was Aliens?

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legion 07-11-2016 05:26 AM

I found the "evidence" underwhelming and circumstantial. Their best pieces were a void in insulation and a rumor that someone once found a bag of money on the "suspect's" property. They ignored things like Cooper's attire was common in 1971 and none of the cash he used was ever identified as having come from the heist.

xbrumossalesman 07-11-2016 07:22 AM

Agreed- that is why we have to watch part 2 tonight.

ossiblue 07-11-2016 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by pwd72s (Post 9193850)
I'm in the "died jumping" camp. No body found on land...money found in Columbia river sand. I'm guessing he became fish food...

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Originally Posted by HardDrive (Post 9193878)
The fact that not one of the bills given to him was ever recovered from the monetary system is a pretty good indication that the never lived to spend the $.

From last night's episode, my mind has changed about this^^. The money was found on the banks of the Columbia River, over 20 miles away from the estimated "drop zone." The key to this find is that the money was found upstream from the area where he was suspected of landing. In other words, there was no way the money could have washed down to the location in which it was found. Now, a comment was made during the episode that almost passed by unnoticed because it was almost an aside. The Columbia had been dredged during the time from the heist to the discovery, and some of the sand may have been deposited on the beach where the bundles were found. It was never made clear from where the dredged material came, and if it had come from downstream of the beach--from a location that is also downstream of the drop zone--that could account for the odd location.

Additionally, the bundles were found with rubber bands still around them. Forensics show that any brand of rubber band disintegrates within six months of exposure to the elements. This points to the bundles being protected/buried for all those years.

In my mind, finding the remnants of the money only confirms that it was possibly lost, not that he died in the jump. If it was lost, it would never show up in the "money stream" because he didn't have it to spend. He used a C9 parachute. The canopy, lines and harness would be exposed had he died in the jump. If he was a military parachutist, as suspected, he would have buried all his rigging once on the ground, and it would unlikely have been found.

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Originally Posted by legion (Post 9194422)
I found the "evidence" underwhelming and circumstantial. Their best pieces were a void in insulation and a rumor that someone once found a bag of money on the "suspect's" property. They ignored things like Cooper's attire was common in 1971 and none of the cash he used was ever identified as having come from the heist.

I don't remember hearing any of that in the first episode^^, though I missed the first few minutes of the airing. Who was it that they were talking about regarding this evidence? Just curious.

Brillo 07-11-2016 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ossiblue (Post 9194573)
I don't remember hearing any of that in the first episode^^, though I missed the first few minutes of the airing. Who was it that they were talking about regarding this evidence? Just curious.

It was from a 2011 episode of Brad Meltzer's DECODED, that HISTORY Channel also reran last night. They came to the conclusion that it was Northwest Airlnes Flight Attendant Kenneth Christiansen.

red-beard 07-11-2016 12:11 PM

Obviously, none of you ever watched "Without a Paddle"

Without a Paddle (2004) - IMDb

legion 07-11-2016 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillo (Post 9194772)
It was from a 2011 episode of Brad Meltzer's DECODED, that HISTORY Channel also reran last night. They came to the conclusion that it was Northwest Airlnes Flight Attendant Kenneth Christiansen.

Yep. Sorry. Caught a DB Cooper show on History last night and assumed it was what everyone was talking about.

dad911 07-11-2016 05:06 PM

Part 2 on now, They are making the case that DB Cooper = Robert Rackstraw

Robert Rackstraw: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

LEAKYSEALS951 07-11-2016 05:16 PM

Let me know how it turns out!:D

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ossiblue 07-11-2016 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dad911 (Post 9195214)
Part 2 on now, They are making the case that DB Cooper = Robert Rackstraw

Robert Rackstraw: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

You get the east coast feed, we won't see it for three more hours. Pt. 1 ended with Rackstraw as the suspect so we're waiting to hear the evidence. I, for one, wouldn't mind a summary from you early watchers--it would mean I could go to bed before eleven. No, I don't have a DVR.

xbrumossalesman 07-11-2016 07:32 PM

Final attempt to try to pin it on Rackstraw had flight attendant who had not given an interview in 45 years looking at pictures and says Rackstraw was not the guy- FBI (Seattle) closed the case & sent all their evidence to storage in Washington,DC - definitely worth watching.

dad911 07-11-2016 08:17 PM

Lots of circumstantial evidence on Rackstraw. Had the skills, and they were able to place him in the timeline, including the washed-up money.

SCadaddle 07-11-2016 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by xbrumossalesman (Post 9195380)
Final attempt to try to pin it on Rackstraw had flight attendant who had not given an interview in 45 years looking at pictures and says Rackstraw was not the guy- FBI (Seattle) closed the case & sent all their evidence to storage in Washington,DC - definitely worth watching.

Part 1 was 2 hours Sunday night.
Part 2 was 2 hours tonight as a conclusion.

If you've ever watched a baseball game that lasted 4 hours with a 24 hour rain delay and your team lost, then yeah, tune in.

Rick Lee 07-11-2016 09:30 PM

How does one determine the cash never showed up in circulation? Who the hell checks the serial numbers on $20 bills? I doubt banks or the Fed even do it nowadays with all the computers and scanners we have. In the early 70s, what are the odds that, even if all the cash was spent in retail stores or deposited into a bank, someone would have caught it? I'm picturing Charles Grodin and Robert DeNiro in Midnight Run here.

ossiblue 07-12-2016 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SCadaddle (Post 9195454)
Part 1 was 2 hours Sunday night.
Part 2 was 2 hours tonight as a conclusion.

If you've ever watched a baseball game that lasted 4 hours with a 24 hour rain delay and your team lost, then yeah, tune in.

Well, that's a very good analogy if you, like most of us, expected the program to identify D.B. Cooper, and thus, close the case.

The title reads, "D.B. Cooper, Case Closed?" Naturally, most of us saw that as a tease and the early posts humorously derided the program as the typical History Channel shill with the logical answer to the rhetorical question being, "NO." Turns out, the program delivered on it's promise. The FBI closed the case. So the answer to the title question is, "Yes."

Norm K 07-12-2016 07:23 AM

From the mid-sixties through the mid-seventies my father flew out of and taught ground school at Pearson Air Park (now Pearson Field) in Vancouver, Washington. He was interviewed at length by the FBI about one of his students: a man who bore a striking resemblance to the sketch of DB Cooper, was a parachute instructor and who never showed up at Pearson after Thanksgiving of 1971. Don't recall the name and, sadly, I can no longer call my dad to ask.

pwd72s 07-12-2016 08:28 AM

Was a hoot to see Fred Jaross, a home town guy, being interviewed. They mispronounced his name, by the way.

asphaltgambler 07-13-2016 10:52 AM

Just finished this today. One thing that caught my eye was the FBI appeared to have fingerprints lifted from the arm rest of the aircraft and if the parachute and chest container in their possession was from the case there would also be fingerprints.

So........................... at some point can we conclude that the main suspect in the end of the programs fingerprints did not match? Also can we conclude the money stolen was never used / spent back into circulation? At least in the US?

Por_sha911 07-13-2016 02:04 PM

This "investigation" had all the journalistic integrity of the Paul McCartney is Dead bunk or a lead story on the front of the National Inquirer with Clinton shaking hands with an alien.

The 93 "pieces of evidence" were loose bits of circumstantial info dug up to try to sell the series to the History Channel. The only thing it proved is that the History Channel made money selling advertising to this pile of conjecture.

bmcuscgr94 07-13-2016 02:25 PM

So if the FBI has closed their case it's safe to spend the money? :rolleyes:

Por_sha911 07-13-2016 02:29 PM

There's 5 times more money to be made by being convicted and writing a book about it.

asphaltgambler 07-13-2016 02:55 PM

One compelling moment for me was when they played the video id'ing the 'hippie' couple at the party would 'find' some of the money a few days later. That old guy really looked visibly spooked, body language was odd...........

Bob Kontak 07-13-2016 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by asphaltgambler (Post 9198082)
One compelling moment for me was when they played the video id'ing the 'hippie' couple at the party would 'find' some of the money a few days later. That old guy really looked visibly spooked, body language was odd...........

+1 Big time.

" I cleared a spot for burger grilling and I found $6,000 wrapped with new rubber bands."

asphaltgambler 07-13-2016 04:27 PM

Also lab testing had been performed prior on rubber bands ( like the kind that held the money together) lasting outside in the environment. Repeated tests indicated that regardless of type of rubber bands, they all would start decomposing / falling apart by 6 months maximum.

The sudden 'finding' of the money was years later...............................

Bob Kontak 07-13-2016 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by asphaltgambler (Post 9198185)
The sudden 'finding' of the money was years later...............................

Yep. I smell something. Always thought the finding money was a stretch.

dad911 07-13-2016 04:38 PM

I think it's going to play out like an unsolved mysteries show. Over the next few months, others will come out with stories or evidence either confirming or denying Rackstraw's involvement.

I found the video interviews, especially the one from the 70's swaying my opinion that it may have been him.

Bob Kontak 07-13-2016 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dad911 (Post 9198195)
I found the video interviews, especially the one from the 70's swaying my opinion that it may have been him.

Just cocky enough to try.


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