1911 vs HiPower

[jyl]

Which to buy?

1911 or HiPower?

And why?

Pictures will help make your case.

[Jeff Higgins]

1911. The .45 ACP has it all over the 9mm. The Hi Power holds more, but that is kind of moot in a civilian defensive pistol. Accuracy is similar, reliability is similar, but the .45 just hits harder.

Beyond that, however, the obvious answer is "C" - all of the above.

[id10t]

1911 and CZ75 (w/ a decocker)

[red-beard]

This paper reviews the scientific support for a ballistic pressure wave radiating outward from a
penetrating projectile and causing injury and incapacitation. This phenomenon is known
colloquially as “hydrostatic shock.” The idea apparently originates with Col. Frank Chamberlin, a
World War II trauma surgeon and wound ballistics researcher. The paper reviews claims that
hydrostatic shock is a myth and considers supporting evidence through parallels with blast,
describing the physics of the pressure wave, evidence for remote cerebral effects, and remote
effects in the spine and other internal organs. Finally, the review considers the levels of energy
transfer required for the phenomenon to be readily observed.

https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0803/0803.3051.pdf

The results show that a the highest possible pressure caused by high-speed large rounds can cause a shockwave that reaches the brain and incapacitates in less than 5 seconds.

The pistol round that does this best is the .40 S&W. Not tested would be 10mm, which would be even better, but it pretty much not commercial.

Based on THAT, I am planning to purchase a .40 S&W Hi Power. I have a Sig P226, but it is too "fat".

I own several 1911s and they shoot quite well. My Hi-Power shoots exceptionally well for an unaltered gun. The only thing different is my Hogue rubber grip with finger grooves. For target practice, 9mm is generally 1/2 the cost.



For defense, I fall to the side of 1911. With the above article, the lighter rounds which move fast, with .45 cal, can create better shockwaves. I need to go buy 165 grain +P JHP to replace all of my defensive ammo.

9mm and even .357Sig, with the small diameter, has a tougher time creating the shockwaves. .357 Magnum, with the higher velocity along with mass, does a better job.

As far as a 1911, I have this:



But I WANT this:

[jyl]

Red supported his arguments with photos and therefore is far ahead of the others. That's why he is The President.

[sc_rufctr]

Long time ago I saw a guy get hit in the hip with a 9mm HiPower. He fell over, got back up and limped off into the bushes.

Not sure if that's relevant but the 9mm is really over rated IMO. I have no direct experience with the .45 cal.

[Jim Bremner]

High Power was designed for the French.

1911 was designed for "Merica!

1911 wins!

[Bill Douglas]

This is my .45. It's so accurate I gave up on and sold my 9mm CZ85.

[tabs]

I like the trigger pull on the 1911 a whole lot better. That TRP Springfield is the best bang for the buck going in the 1911...u would have to pay a lot more for very little more in the boutique 1911's.

I gots an Ed Brown Executive Carry that is a real delight to pull the trigger on.

[masraum]

Both are great guns. You can't go wrong. What is the intended use, just have around the house for home defense or just to take to the range for fun or daily carry?

[id10t]

Alternatively, get "both" in one gun. The HP is a single action double stack 9mm. Get the RIA 9mm/22TCM combo - 17+1 of 9mm or 22tcm (neat round, like 5.7x28) in a 1911 platform.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by tabs

I like the trigger pull on the 1911 a whole lot better. That TRP Springfield is the best bang for the buck going in the 1911...u would have to pay a lot more for very little more in the boutique 1911's.

I gots an Ed Brown Executive Carry that is a real delight to pull the trigger on.

I already have the ring hammer and the beavertail, along with the Ed Brown trigger. Adding with I already have into the pistol, the cost of putting in a match barrel and bushing, checkering the front and rear straps and getting it NP3+ and putting in Novak sites, I am probably about $500 over the TRP.

Yep, $1380 and I think I still have to supply match barrel and bushing. That work is more than the cost of the TRP. Armour Cote isn't NP3+. $110 cheaper for just "Roguard". Add another $200 for the barrel and bushing and That is $1470. Gunbroker has TRPs for around $1500.

[BlueSkyJaunte]

TRP prices are in Dan Wesson territory, and Dan Wesson makes extremely fine 1911s.

I say this as an owner of both a TRP and two Dan Wessons. The DWs are Made in America, if that matters to you.

[Joe Bob]

Springfield Arms .45, (America's oldest firearms manufacturer, though they went O/B for awhile) has a double stack magazine and can be modified to hold 18 rounds. Illegal in CA but they have to pry it out of my dead hands....

[Seahawk]

Terrible picture but the illustration of size is important.



The 1911 on the top was my father's, a Colt Commander LW he bought in Oakland in 1952 at a hardware before he left for Korea. He also fought with the pistol in Vietnam.

Below is a Browning Hi Power I bought in 1985 and carried in my SV-2 throughout Earnest Will Ops and the first Gulf War.

As you can see, the Army is a lot harder on their pistols than the Navy

The reason I posted the picture is to illustrate size differences. A little means a lot in length, gun weight and caliber. The CC has a 4 inch barrel length and the Browning, 4.75 inches. A full size 1911 is a tad bigger than the Browning, 5 inches commonly.

My father's .45 LW Commander demands a lot more attention than the Hi-Power. My full sized Kimber 1911 handles on par with the Hi-Power...very easy and comfortable to shoot.

This is an interesting article: What's New with the 1911 Commander? - Shooting Times

I do not carry so in my experience being comfortable with the weapon is key. I like them both, will always own both.

[BlueSkyJaunte]

Springfield Arms? You mean Springfield Armory? The business started in 1974. They have no connection to the original government organization other than the name. None of their products are manufactured in the USA. They market several good firearms, but they are NOT the original Springfield Armory.

Originally Posted by Joe Bob

Springfield Arms .45, (America's oldest firearms manufacturer, though they went O/B for awhile)

[Joe Bob]

Whatever, they still claim to be related....good gun, bought it in OR and went shooting cans with Lake CleElum when I went to visit. It's nice having a National Park next to your cabin.....%^)

[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by Bill Douglas

This is my .45. It's so accurate I gave up on and sold my 9mm CZ85.

Could you elaborate please?

[pwd72s]

After careful consideration, I think I'd prefer not being shot by either one.

[Bill Douglas]

Originally Posted by scottmandue

Could you elaborate please?

Wilson match barrell
Compensater
National match bushing
Wichita sights
ejector port lowered and flared
tuned extractor two piece guide rod
Ed Brown beavertail
SS commander hammer
Wilson extended safeties
Extended ejector
extended mag release Barrett SS mag well
Videki match trigger
Teflon slide
Hard chromed reciever
Auma slim grips
12lb progressive recoil spring
19lb competion main spring
extra power firing pin spring
And some other stuff.