Rambling postulations

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by gordner

Yes, there are a few mountain peaks that in some pictures show a pyramid shape, I made the assumption you were not talking about totally unremarkable mountain formations, more the classic man built pyramid

I would not say those are unremarkable.

We're remarking about them.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

We really don't know if they had much written language. It would have to be chiseled in stone to survive 6,000 years unless it happened to be caught in a glacier like Ötzi and that is exceeding rare.

Nice write up and I just burned a fun hour on Wiki since noon EST.

The earliest cave painting found is at the 50k mark. A caribou-ish looking animal.

Most all of us have Neanderthal genes. African descendants of the original "crew" that did not leave have none. Neanderthal did not migrate that far south to mingle.

We have genes that make us immune to certain germs/viruses that may have come from Neanderthal and those genes were not necessary in Africa.

From what I read Neanderthal lasted until about 400k years ago while the genus Homo is estimated to have kicked in around 2.5M years ago.

The time involved is hard to wrap your head around.

Otzi was a great documentary. I thought he died on a mountain with a high elevation but ice melted enough for him to be spotted.

[afterburn 549]

As far as I have read,- Neandrathroll gene is found mostly predominantly Basque Spain.
RH Neg is 15 % of the populace earth wide..
Two strange occurrences in modern day verticle noids.
They must have crossed over a 100K or more back.

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

From what I read Neanderthal lasted until about 400k years ago while the genus Homo is estimated to have kicked in around 2.5M years ago.

These numbers have changed around a lot over the decades.

I would imagine they are still in flux.

I could spend a day pointing to different scientists and where they dated different things.

Something to keep in mind is that every single means we have of dating can be found to be contradictory. We are much more in the dark than the public is lead to believe.

Fossil beds have been found to often represent large-scale "rapid events" rather than the idea of continual long stretches of uneventful time. Yet these ideas still permeate since we do not like the idea that we do not have the answers.

A vertical tree in horizontal strata would require the entire layer of strata to have been formed in one event.

The frozen carcasses being exposed in the northern tundra speak to a dramatic event that flash froze.

There is also geographic evidence of a very rapid meltdown of ice pack instead of slow and gradual.

Until the ideas of rapid change become more accepted we will stay in the dark.

On this subject I'm not one to say what is correct, but I can see what is incorrect.

Ideological Dogma is in control of archeological and paleontological textbooks instead of the raw pursuit and sharing of "facts".

A strange part of our past is that both of our polar regions were free of ice and supported vegetation. Vegetation that would not survive the months of consistent darkness.

This would imply that relationship of the surface of the earth and the rotation of the earth was not as it is today.

There are lots of legends of the sun moving not being consistent in the sky, they are likely based on a real event, or events.

[Tervuren]

Oh, here is an interesting one that might challenge your preconceptions when you go looking for answers.

White people, a result of evolution?
Did white people develop additional DNA information to become white?

Or,

White people, a result of devolution?
Did white people lose DNA information to become white?

It is natural for us to assume that our ancestors were "white" or "whitish". Is it true? Look at artwork of "early man" that tends to prevail, it is generally not black or brown skin, but ruddy or white. Not African wooly hair, but long unkempt European style locks.

Are these artists right or wrong?

They try to show no erect posture, instead hunched over ape like poses, are these right?

Early evolutionist thought considered that since white people came up with better civilization white people were a higher order of evolution. Now that we can study DNA were these early evolutions right or wrong?

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by Tervuren

These numbers have changed around a lot over the decades.

I would imagine they are still in flux.

I could spend a day pointing to different scientists and where they dated different things.

Something to keep in mind is that every single means we have of dating can be found to be contradictory. We are much more in the dark than the public is lead to believe.

Fossil beds have been found to often represent large-scale "rapid events" rather than the idea of continual long stretches of uneventful time. Yet these ideas still permeate since we do not like the idea that we do not have the answers.

A vertical tree in horizontal strata would require the entire layer of strata to have been formed in one event.

The frozen carcasses being exposed in the northern tundra speak to a dramatic event that flash froze.

There is also geographic evidence of a very rapid meltdown of ice pack instead of slow and gradual.

Until the ideas of rapid change become more accepted we will stay in the dark.

On this subject I'm not one to say what is correct, but I can see what is incorrect.

Ideological Dogma is in control of archeological and paleontological textbooks instead of the raw pursuit and sharing of "facts".

A strange part of our past is that both of our polar regions were free of ice and supported vegetation. Vegetation that would not survive the months of consistent darkness.

This would imply that relationship of the surface of the earth and the rotation of the earth was not as it is today.

There are lots of legends of the sun moving not being consistent in the sky, they are likely based on a real event, or events.

Wait, you do understand the sun does NOT orbit the earth. Only the rotation of the planet gives the appearance of the sun moving. The planet rotates at a very stable rate.

For the sun to appear to stand still would mean the planet stopped rotating. If that happened everything including mountains would fall down and be moving at thousands of miles per hour, and the crust would become molten. Bad thing.

Any legend of the sun moving or stopping is just make believe.

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

Wait, you do understand the sun does NOT orbit the earth. Only the rotation of the planet gives the appearance of the sun moving. The planet rotates at a very stable rate.

For the sun to appear to stand still would mean the planet stopped rotating. If that happened everything including mountains would fall down and be moving at thousands of miles per hour, and the crust would become molten. Bad thing.

Any legend of the sun moving or stopping is just make believe.

Your response does not seem to be in reply to what I posted.

You speak of east/west.

I was talking about north/south.

Taking the present tilt of the earth and the location of Antarctica the fossilized remains of a forest would require a significant difference from how things are today.

No trees today can handle the long darkness and long summer of these regions even if the climate were more temperate. They can't transition how they work. They go dead.

Which opens the possibility that when Antarctica was host to trees, it was not centered around the south pole as it is today.

That or the trees were very different than trees today.

Also the ice pack depth on Antarctica would not result merely from expanses of time and its present position and conditions of ice growth. there is a shallow side and a deep side.

Antarctica's past was significantly different than its present.

The legends of a north/south shift of the sun in the sky are accompanied with tsunami's and earthquakes.

This is rambling postulations thread. My posts here are speculative in nature. They are meant to challenge our ideas of constant normal.

[GH85Carrera]

For the sun to move north and south would require the earth to wobble more than it does now. It is a large mass, that can’t change directions. It is a giant top with a fast spin.

[wdfifteen]

This presupposes a God who gives a crap. Did he create a clockwork universe, wind it up, set it loose and watch it go, or is He involved in our daily lives?

[afterburn 549]

To a larger extent, the conundrum is perhaps the continental shifts and the poles wondering a bit .
But who knows!
A million years is a very long long time and of course, time, as we know it here on earth, stretches back 4.5 B they tell me.
Can a planet rotate two directions at once?
Dealing with numbers past a billion we have to know we are in a state of flux.
I would not bet too much on what we think we know as it is postulations and guesses for the most part.
As humans, we tend to see things through a very narrow slot and try to be the director of what we want the history to say, rather than letting it read as it should.
Too many paid scientist will find what they are paid to find.

[oldE]

I suspect the biggest reason for the mystery of Antarctic vegetation is our shaky grasp of continental drift and the scale of time.
Think about how much you trim off your fingernails each week. The Atlantic Ocean widens by about the same amount. Consider how long your nails would grow in two hundred and fifty million years. That is approximately how long it has been since Pangea broke up, giving us the Atlantic. Was that the only continental drift event? No. Godwana predates Pangea.
Our sense of time is pretty limited.
Regarding written accounts. Oral histories of North American, natives on the west coast seem to have documented the last ice age with stories of sea level fall and rise. Can you imagine the craft of passing down family and tribal histories through that many generations?

Food for thought.
Best
Les

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by oldE

I suspect the biggest reason for the mystery of Antarctic vegetation is our shaky grasp of continental drift and the scale of time.
Think about how much you trim off your fingernails each week. The Atlantic Ocean widens by about the same amount. Consider how long your nails would grow in two hundred and fifty million years. That is approximately how long it has been since Pangea broke up, giving us the Atlantic. Was that the only continental drift event? No. Godwana predates Pangea.
Our sense of time is pretty limited.
Regarding written accounts. Oral histories of North American, natives on the west coast seem to have documented the last ice age with stories of sea level fall and rise. Can you imagine the craft of passing down family and tribal histories through that many generations?

Food for thought.
Best
Les

You get it somewhat.

I just believe that fossil records record mass catastrophic events.

As do our legends and histories.

As does archeology.

The time span required could be much much less.

And what we know under the ice and oceans is very limited.

What G85 doesn't seem to grasp is the size of the scars the earth contains.

The surface floats, and a hit to the earth could initiate fairly rapid re-arrangement of the plates.

It would be far more violent than most of us are capable of imagining.

[afterburn 549]

The more we know the less we know and what the barometer of time is showing as to ancient civilizations according to most scientists is-they are really they are only explaining contemporary civilizations .
Not the Ancient ones at all.
Most think tanks reveal 6 to 12k back and that's about it for civilizations.
More and more there is proof arising that 10 K back is not a spit in time compared to what other scientists think.
When going back a long time there is less to find but there is scientists starting to think what we have been taught to know is all wrong.
We should be bethinking back perhaps a million years.
This makes something things much more EZ to explain.

Some are thinking the Sphinx and pyramids date way further back then what is mainstream currently believed.
Some are thinking 800K old!
Whilst we may be rocked and shocked if we do not make allowance for further enlightenment we are no better then those that jailed Galileo.

[sammyg2]