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In the old days the normal airport was in many cases a piece of dirt or later on hard surface that was 3000-5000 feet square. That way the airplane landed into the wind no matter which direction it was coming. Then land got expensive and they started encroaching on the airports and military bases and it was over.
The circular runway could be a neat idea but think of the stresses it would put on the outer landing gear! Nah, not going to work... |
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Also, you are flying relative to the wind so whether you turn into or away from the wind "direction" does not matter. Your airspeed is the same. How do you setup precision approaches? What about visual approaches and VASI? WAAS could help with some of the newer aircraft and ILS approaches, but older stuff wouldn't work very well and your approach would either have to have a large circular approach intersect a smaller circle or a straight in approach that suddenly becomes a circle. How do you setup the transmitters for that? Do you have 360 of them for all approach angles? Then you have effectively one runway now instead of multiple, unless you make multiple circles and then do you make concentric to save land or have them side by side? What if there is a gear issue like the Westwind that had to make an emergency landing in Sarasota? He would have shot off the runway much sooner on a circular runway. Those are just a few things off the top of my head. I cant think of any advantages. |
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Circular runway is a dumb idea. (20,000 hours multi-engine turbojet transport.) (But that may not mean anything.) |
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Wouldn't another issue be planes landing at the same speed? Wouldn't planes with different landing speeds cause a substantial problem here? While this might not be a big issue at the EWR, LGA and JFKs of the world, most airports allow other smaller craft and not just large jets. I am also curious about how you would call out your landing? I am landing on runway at 20 degrees? Or maybe you would say runway followed by the number on the compas rose, "Landing on Runway 18" means landing at the most south point I suppose? It was hard enough for me to learn how to land on center line, couldn't imagine the extra talent needed to land in a circle at an angle! I hate how true this quote is "So, congratulations, your extra special runway just took on an arrival rate worse than Newark." |
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The problems that exclude this from use are that of landing. I find it kinda funny the way certain users try to find non existent problems with take off. Possibly, unlike myself, they've never been to an oval track. Take off is easy. :D The only situation I can think of where a run way like this would be useful, is launching heavily fueled long range aircraft from limited spaces. The landing distance required is shorter, so these aircraft could land on straight run ways, but take off from the bank circular. The downside, is the aircraft that would benefit from this, would put serious load on the points of contact. |
Take off is easy. But unless it is a large circle, which would require more land and asphalt than a normal airport with runways 36/18 and 09/27 and say 31/13 your takeoff speed would be higher than normal creating more wear and tear on the gear.
As I mentioned above, there are a multitude of issues for landing. Wouldn't it be easier to do a train style roundhouse to turn the runways where you need it? That would move all the electrical equipment with it. Or, simpler yet, stick with a few runways that are pointed to the prevailing winds. Oh wait, we do that now. |
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Haveing seen karts go flying into the air off the banking of small grass roots oval tracks, take off is easy. SmileWavy As to run way size, you just go around multiple times. This is useful for a slowly accelerating aircraft. Landing aircraft are lighter, and need less landing distance. I wouldn't want to have it as my only run way. |
So when your aircraft is taking off and you go from following the banking to going straight you have centripetal force acting against your plane. Now suddenly one wheel is off the pavement causing the remaining main gear to want to do two things. It wants to follow the banking still and it is preventing the aircraft from remaining level. Unless you are already at takeoff speed, then you would just continue your coordinated turn instead of upsetting the aircraft.
That progressive banking will cause more issues than it is worth when it comes time to land. Most of the race cars that "take off" do not do so in a straight and level manner. My comment to size was not to give room to generate speed to take off, it is because a small circle will require a steeper bank which will in turn cause the take off speed to increase, unless you want to fly off over the edge and do a barrel roll as you take off :) . A larger circle will require less banking which would only require a speed near a straight out take off speed. |
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Doesn't seem like a good idea to me.... |
Seems like this creates six new problems to not really solve one.
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Looks like multiple accidents waiting to happen and making landing more stressful/complicated than it already is. No tnx Jeff. |
Landing in a straight line is hard enough on the pilot and landing gear. Trying to set the plane down on a curved, sloped surface makes no sense.
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On a curved runway I'd like to see the side loads on a 747 heavy jet trying to stay in the circle.
As it struggled to get airborne from V1 to V2 for several hundred feet with the nose wheel off the ground. ;) Would make landings in fog even more difficult. Quote:
The offshore W291 warning area schedule and control facility. Here is how it looked last September. :) https://youtu.be/UR04l6sAj64?t=50s |
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By tuning the steepest part of the banking to the take off speed of a fully loaded air craft on a humid low pressure hot day, there is no need for the aircraft to run several hundred feet with just the nose wheel off the ground. Once the take velocity of the air craft requires steering input to stay in the circle, the aircraft is already at or over take off speed. The banking is providing a vertical load that is counter acting the lift of the aircraft, the vertical load exceeds 1G, and the wings are providing negative >1G perpendicular to the banking, but not in the vertical axis. With take off velocity in hand, the pilot either exceeds the velocity the banking holds the air plane neutral, or steers slightly up the banking. Since the banking would gradually diminish past its highest banking, the air plane levels out, the vertical load reduces, the lift > load causes the air plane to fly as it levels. |
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
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On a bank that severe, I would not want to land on it. |
Pass out a few more barf bags. Some people can barely handle the straight line acceleration & deceleration.
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I can see few benefits, with many downsides
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