ADA irony

[juanbenae]

I have worked for public agencies since the early 90's and have see the evolution of the ADA act since that time. at 1st it was ramps, then ramps with certain grooves, then ramps with certain slope requirements and then the introduction of the raised dome tile 10-12 years ago. you see them now embedded into chair ramps, exits of your favorite store. they are everywhere, and mandatory even for the smallest of business.

so, while driving around at work today I saw what appeared to be construction activity at the only gun store in town. when I realized what was going on I circled back and captured these shots!!!


yep, ADA tiles to alert the blind they are entering traffic after leaving the gun store. so good! hopes this does not get PARF'd, but they are slim.

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[legion]

There is no common sense in government.

[FPB111]

Around here the drive through bank auto teller windows have Braille instructions.??.

[rusnak]

The wheelchair people and blind people are not exactly friends either.

[stomachmonkey]

Why can't the blind have guns?

It's not really intuitive but neither is blind golfing or any other activity the blind engage in that the sighted take for granted.

Have a very good friend who is legally blind, as in he most definitely would not be able to tell you what brand of sneakers he's wearing but he can distinguish shapes and would certainly be able to point a gun into the center of whatever fuzzy blob he sees as a potential threat.

[island911]

guessing he wouldn't need foot brail either.

[URY914]

You can thank the lawyers for this crap. Many have made $$$ from the ADA.

[on2wheels52]

[flatbutt]

Just a thought here but might not a visually handicapped person go to a gun store to order a gift?

[island911]

Funny, the other day I drove past an outdoor rock-climbing wall which was guarded by a 6' cyclone fence. --which is funny... guarding a climbing wall with an easily climbable fence. Have to wonder now if they're being forced to put those turtles in. The wall is up against a building next to a parking lot.

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

Why can't the blind have guns?

It's not really intuitive but neither is blind golfing or any other activity the blind engage in that the sighted take for granted.

Have a very good friend who is legally blind, as in he most definitely would not be able to tell you what brand of sneakers he's wearing but he can distinguish shapes and would certainly be able to point a gun into the center of whatever fuzzy blob he sees as a potential threat.

No one said nor inferred that blind people can't have guns, nor buy guns.

If you can't see the absurdity of forcing small businesses to install foot brail, to alert blind people that they are stepping outside, then I don't know what to say.

[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by island911

If you can't see the absurdity of forcing small businesses to install foot brail, to alert blind people that they are stepping outside, then I don't know what to say.

I would be curios to know if the business was forced to do this or did it voluntarily...
As others have said a blind person could go into a gun store to buy a gift and many 'legally' blind have some use of their sight.

However I do find the foot brail annoying... and slippery when wet.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by island911

No one said nor inferred that blind people can't have guns, nor buy guns.

The OP made a concentrated effort to go out of his way to take a picture of foot braille being installed at a gun shop.

Translation, it's absurd to think of a blind person with a gun.

If you were being honest you'd agree that would be anyone's initial reaction to the notion.

Originally Posted by island911

If you can't see the absurdity of forcing small businesses to install foot brail, to alert blind people that they are stepping outside, then I don't know what to say.

I walk up and down the walkway and in and out of my front door several times a day.

I'm infinitely familiar with it.

Still wouldn't want to do it blind folded.

I don't even want to imagine what it's like for someone to have to blindly traverse a world every day where their next step could result in serious injury or death.

If a minor inconvenience for the benefit of someone less fortunate seems absurd to you that speaks volumes.

You probably park in handicapped spots, assuming of course you don't have a tag.

[Crowbob]

There's no such thing as absurdity anymore.

I mean, making everything accessible to everyone is a completely reasonable expectation right?

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by Crowbob

....making everything accessible to everyone is a completely reasonable expectation right?

Generally, yes.

Common law has long held that everything which is not forbidden is allowed.

No difference here.

Access should be equal for all unless there is cause to deny it.

[Crowbob]

Is cost just cause?

[bivenator]

They have access, just not bumpy things to warn them not to walk into the street upon exiting the gun shop.

Excellent question Crowbob, I await the answer.

[widebody911]

I'm somewhat on-board with the ADA in principle, but from what I've seen the retroactive requirements are a bit onerous in cases. However, the biggest flaw in the ADA is how it allows the shakedown of non-compliant businesses, which has become a cottage industry in and of itself. Set up a process for ADA violation remedy the same as a fire code or other building code issues, and not a lottery for lawyers with wheelchairs.

[juanbenae]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

The OP made a concentrated effort to go out of his way to take a picture of foot braille being installed at a gun shop.

Translation, it's absurd to think of a blind person with a gun.

If you were being honest you'd agree that would be anyone's initial reaction to the notion.

or a conclusion was jumped to by one that is apt to do so. I was not saying the blind could or should not own guns, just that the irony was worth noting. this is silicon valley California store, not texas where im sure the blind are encouraged to arm themselves.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by Crowbob

Is cost just cause?

Is it just cause to avoid handicap ramps?

Handrails and larger stalls in bathrooms?

Audible crosswalks?

Etc...

Easy to make the argument that it is just cause if you are not reliant on those things.

I'm pretty certain, with few exceptions, the people who are reliant on those accommodations would rather not have to have them either.

[Crowbob]

So you agree that cost is just cause?