Has the Turbo bubble started to deflate
 

I had the opportunity to buy a Ruf about 8 years or so ago for $40k. I didn't because it was a cab...

As a whole, all aircooled prices have been deflating for at least a year or two now.

As have sports cars in general.

The $50,000 Ferrari 328 sold on BaT is a good example. That was a $75,000 car 2 years ago.

I hope so. I want a '95 993 manual coupe under 40k.

Won't take too long for that. Plenty of cabs and Tip coupes in that range already.
Manual coupes will be there soon.

In fact, here's one today:

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=443587400&referrer= %2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3FstartYear%3D1995%26so rtBy%3DderivedpriceDESC%26vehicleStyleCodes%3DCOUP E%26incremental%3Dall%26firstRecord%3D0%26endYear% 3D1995%26modelCodeList%3D911%26makeCodeList%3DPOR% 26transmissionCodes%3DMAN&startYear=1995&numRecord s=25&vehicleStyleCodes=COUPE&firstRecord=0&endYear =1995&modelCodeList=911&makeCodeList=POR&makeCode1 =POR&modelCode1=911

Told ya it wouldn't take long!

Hell no. I'd pay $35k for that porsche but no way $75k.

Hopefully Euros start sinking again.

I want an Aston Martin.

rjp

I think there was a large hedge into "collector" cars to offset a potential market crash that didn't occur.(yet).

The investors want back into the market, and are selling those collector cars they bought.

Randy P, have you considered a Jaguar XK? A bit more plastic, and less leather and metal, but similar car overall. The XK/XKR has better metrics that appeal to the head, the Aston Martin has more heart throb factor.

Eeh- I feel like i'm settling for an XK..the Vantage is the ideal. Then again you're right, it would save much headache when it eventually breaks. I'm looking for a keeper, again. at least that's how I'm justifying this purchase, again.

it's gonna be a few, I need to get into it right, not right now. I'm pacing myself and taking a long time...

rjp

Sure PorchAG is the premier marque of the elite, but didn't it arise from initially being the premier marque of the poor?
(i.e: VW/KDF/peoples car/garage startup/rags to riches/etc)

Could be wrong but I remember reading about Porsche's lower cost model-offerings having saved the company bacon more than once
(i.e.: 914/924/944/Cayenne).

So more public accessibility, leads to more sales, leads to exposure, leads to more interest, leads to continuation of the marque?

Yeah I saw that. It's a cab.

Are you wanting it for primary driver or "fun car"?

The Vantage is much smaller on the inside, and less carry room.

I really want both, I have carry needs such that I bought the XK, and I think wishful thoughts about the Vantage.

Each car presents different strong points, and they do not completely overlap. The Vantage is like a car designed by German's, that then ended up getting interfered with by crazy Italians.

The Jaguar feels very "American", sort of like a fancy roomy Camaro with a spiced up exterior and interior.

If you really want horse power, just go for the 5.0 XKR over the Vantage. The raw grunt of the XKR's engine is not matched in the Vantage.

The XK/XKR is a decent primary car, the Aston is a stretch to do the same, while they both share similar engine architecture, the maintenance schedules and ease of parts supply are not the same.

It's a thought- I'm looking at both but, the Vantage is, well a Vantage. I would even consider a lower miles XKR with a gearshift..

Can't be the lines of the Aston tho....That's what's doing it.

With your further information I'd say stick your focus to the Aston Martin. The Jaguar while better in several respects, will not match what you seem to specifically want.

I saw that too Shaun. I think the only cars really holding their bubble level values are the exceptional collector type cars. Everything else, like this 930 that looks to be a nice driver, is coming back to earth. Sadly I don't think we'll ever see a nice driver quality air cooled coupe for $20k, but they aren't a $60k car either.

Yep.

I can only hope/dream... I'm still a year or two away from retirement and getting back into a fun car, pretty sure my budget will be $20K

No way I could afford the maintenance on this but it is interesting:

1981 Ferrari 308 GTSi | Bring a Trailer

Pretty sure I will end up in a P-car or some Japanese GT car.

Of course the odd ball in me would love something like this, but I'm guessing parts are rather difficult to find:

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-lancia-flavia/

1980 Saab-900 - BaT

I never liked this color but if I had the time and space would love to scoop this one up for grins. With a freshly minted DL in 1980 I test drove a brand new Saab 99 turbo and a black 900 turbo when that was released a year or two later.

A few more "driver" 930s that aren't stratosphere-priced:

https://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/ctd/6212531456.html
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ctd/6204365990.html
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ctd/6192270480.html

And if your dad has a wicked set of tools:
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/cto/6203048363.html

Oh Yeah!

Unless, a triple black XK with the sport options comes along ;)

rjp

I don't think it is a bubble but more of a market correction.

European buyers went away when the Euro got stronger a year or two ago and cars in the USA weren't as much of a bargain. Also, when confidence in the stock market goes down, investors look for other places to invest: gold, art, cars. Lastly, some of the recent classic car buyers realized that the cost of ownership is too high and they aren't enjoying the car since they don't want to risk having the vehicle's value ruined by a distracted driver with a phone in a 10 year old minivan.

I expect there to be some further drop and then leveling off. After that, the values will start going back up at a less insane rate.

Good - I can take my 993 to the track without pissing my pants then. SmileWavy

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