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Speed Buggy 08-09-2017 01:05 PM

Range??? 50 / 50 weight distribution??? Hey, it's not mine.

They can have my ICE when they pry my cold dead.... you know the rest.
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Deschodt 08-09-2017 01:13 PM

I bet it weighs a lot more than original. Sure 0-60 is slightly better because of the kick ass torque, but general handling is probably very compromised, with all the extra weight, and its location now up front... I don't hate on electric, I'm leasing an E-Golf for peanuts and it's a hoot for instant torque and my daily commute. But if you're gonna design an electric sports car, it needs to be engineered that way with the weight down low in the spine of the chassis.. I wouldn't want to race that thing.... As an exercise, it's cool though !

68p911t 08-09-2017 01:34 PM

According to the article, they didn't even cool the battery pack. This thing would overheat and die if driven in the southwest USA. We hit 118 degrees here in Phoenix this summer. That would probably cause that battery pack to melt down and catch fire.

mregele52 08-09-2017 02:15 PM

Anti Targa Comment
 
Didnt appreciate the anti-Targa comment. A bit arrogant, dont you think? My Targa is just as much a Porsche 911 as yours.:mad:

Eric_Shea 08-09-2017 02:17 PM

This is Moggy's (Richard Morgan) company. He's an all around awesome guy and used to rally 914's "over there". He's started this now and I wish him well. Great driver and knows his cars well... Click the link for his car and his rally video.

Awesome PMB - Customer Photos

Southbay356 08-09-2017 03:10 PM

last year I drove a 1960 VW bug that had been converted to Electric , it was done right and the shop owner has been doing them for years,

It was a cool impractical 2nd car......but lots of fun to drive down Pacific Coast Highway on a sunny day ,

But it has a few problems you need to get over , First is no fan noise , what is an aircooled VW or Porsche without the fan ?

and then there is the transmission NOISE , yes that fan noise covers up how much noise is covered up , hearing the trans roar is not a good sound ,

Modern electric cars have been built with this in mind , they know you will hear many sounds you would never hear in a regular car and you are not going to be happy !

Would I have one ? Yes as a toy , and at a reasonable price , the VW conversion was $20K-$25K and its not that much extra "fun" for the $$$$$$$

And we are not even going to get into range , how long to charge and lack of charging stations , how much electric AC or heaters take......and normal things a car needs....

because it is a neat TOY , not a real car......you just pull back the folding sunroof and enjoy the day out......

Por_sha911 08-09-2017 03:26 PM

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This car has a virtually perfect 50:50 weight distribution, meaning more predictable handling and far more front-end response than these cars ever offered originally, as well as oodles more torque all the way through the rev range.
"rev range"? Do they measure the RPMs of the electric motor?

Bill Douglas 08-09-2017 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by stealthn (Post 9693072)
SC were 3 litre not 3.2


Maybe, being a non-metric American, he was talking 3.2 quarts which is about 3 liters.

JimM 08-10-2017 09:49 AM

No thank you. Certainly there are other ways to 'bastardize' a Porsche. Maybe a Chevy 350?

dafischer 08-10-2017 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Por_sha911 (Post 9694262)
"rev range"? Do they measure the RPMs of the electric motor?

Probably the same as they measured the torque..."oodles".

1990C4S 08-10-2017 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Southbay356 (Post 9694241)

and then there is the transmission NOISE , yes that fan noise covers up how much noise is covered up , hearing the trans roar is not a good sound ,

Modern electric cars have been built with this in mind , they know you will hear many sounds you would never hear in a regular car and you are not going to be happy

Tesla spend a lot of money and effort to find and remove NVH from the motor/gearbox. Insulation, design changes, sound mat, and a very expensive 'dyno' test. That is one of the benefits of a high end car.

wdfifteen 08-10-2017 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Southbay356 (Post 9694241)

Modern electric cars have been built with this in mind , they know you will hear many sounds you would never hear in a regular car and you are not going to be happy !

I don't understand this comment. My Volt is so quiet it has a noisemaker in the front bumper so pedestrians can hear it coming. The car's occupants can't hear it unless you put it in gear while sitting in the garage. There is a slight "whirr" at low speeds, and the sound of squealing tires if you mash the go pedal. Other than that, it doesn't make any unusual sounds.

Southbay356 08-10-2017 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 9695259)
I don't understand this comment. My Volt is so quiet it has a noisemaker in the front bumper so pedestrians can hear it coming. The car's occupants can't hear it unless you put it in gear while sitting in the garage. There is a slight "whirr" at low speeds, and the sound of squealing tires if you mash the go pedal. Other than that, it doesn't make any unusual sounds.


it is the old car you are converting that has all the noises that the original aircooled motor was covering up,

put in a quiet electric motor and now you hear the car noises

berettafan 08-11-2017 12:14 PM

I would contest the comment that trans sounds are bad. I LOVE the sound of gears in race cars. That whine is mmmm good!


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aigel 08-11-2017 10:33 PM

"There is a little bit more weight in the front" - understatement of the year! I don't think weight and braking is being discussed in the vid? They are talking performance where it is improved, such as 0-60, but not where it has decreased such as handling due to weight.

Why does it retain a transmission? With 5 gears to boot!?

We will undoubtedly see more of these conversions. It is a bit of a shame on a high line car that had a solid drive train like an SC. On lesser cars with ****ty engines, maybe it is less of an act of blasphemy.

I will wait a little before converting my 993. I'd want at least 200kwh. :)

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berettafan 08-12-2017 12:03 AM

But a very interesting point about various noises that are covered up by combustion motor sounds. Wouldn't have thought of that.


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island911 08-12-2017 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Luccia at Pelican Parts (Post 9692188)

It might be ridiculously heavy, but at least all that weight is up high and not over the drive wheels. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/suppo...ool_shades.gif

Por_sha911 08-12-2017 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 9697483)
It might be ridiculously heavy, but at least all that weight is up high and not over the drive wheels.

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Southbay356 08-14-2017 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by aigel (Post 9697059)

I will wait a little before converting my 993. I'd want at least 200kwh. :)

G

But would you do it on a cheap 996 with a blown motor ?

and running thru the gears is fun and makes neat noises .......

But now have that transmission noise at a constant freeway speed for 20-30 minutes.

There was a show on German TV last week about Electric scooters in Taiwan , which will be in Berlin soon ,
these used pull out exchangeable batteries , you just pulled up to the shop , exchanged batteries and off you went in a couple minutes total.....

and your mobile phone app "talked" with the scooter and told you battery life and a local exchange shop........

I guess one of the better Porsches to convert is a 914 since the weight of the batteries can be in the middle to replace the motor........

but is it worth $15-$20,000 to do it properly , new car Ecars get big tax breaks, conversions do not and probably cannot even drive in the car pool lane !

aigel 08-14-2017 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Southbay356 (Post 9699705)
But would you do it on a cheap 996 with a blown motor ?

and running thru the gears is fun and makes neat noises .......

But now have that transmission noise at a constant freeway speed for 20-30 minutes.

...

I guess one of the better Porsches to convert is a 914 since the weight of the batteries can be in the middle to replace the motor........

but is it worth $15-$20,000 to do it properly , new car Ecars get big tax breaks, conversions do not and probably cannot even drive in the car pool lane !

There will probably be a market for universal conversion kits in the future and they will be a lot cheaper than piecing it together from Tesla batteries. If the capacities go up, it definitely would be a cool project, starting with a POS car. Engine AND trans could be shot. And yes, the 996 or the Boxster would be a perfect example. With a blown engine they are near free.

Thinking about an electric speedster, that brings us all back to the first Tesla - it was basically a Lotus Elise and the early model that I looked at closely was very much built like a kit car. Including an "electric" vacuum break booster with an electric vacuum pump hooked to the stock Lotus booster!

I recently saw an electric Cobra at Laguna Seca. There are now electric car races. The Cobra was in the red run session ... with the fast gasoline powered cars ...

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