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Bob Kontak 04-22-2018 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 10011236)
Thomas Crown Affair was a Mulliner Park Ward coupe, that is in another stratosphere from a Corniche. :)

You talking about this pig? Only two doors?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1524448470.jpg

GWN7 04-22-2018 06:20 PM

It appears most are 4 doors.

https://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1350&bih=705&e i=bkLdWoGZH8aUjwSM2rKgAw&q=Mulliner+Park+Ward+coup e&oq=Mulliner+Park+Ward+coupe&gs_l=img.3..0i24k1.2 475.2475.0.4982.3.3.0.0.0.0.227.227.2-1.1.0....0...1ac..64.img..2.1.222.0...0.e-8Bz3YJLBY

How else are you going to get James to open the door for you? :)

sand_man 04-22-2018 06:34 PM

How's about a Trolls Royce (love this one)...
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speeder 04-22-2018 07:23 PM

Now I can't remember what McQueen drove exactly in the TCA...was it a Bentley or a Rolls? It was a Mulliner PW coupe for sure, which was a coach built car. He was a man of wealth and taste. :)

speeder 04-22-2018 07:25 PM

The sedans are all 4 doors but the coupes are 2 doors, safe to say. And yes, they are less common and more valuable.

nvr2mny 04-22-2018 11:10 PM

Well I stand corrected. The McQueen car was a 2 door Silver Shadow. The actual car McQueen drove in the movie was sold at Bonhams in 2006 as seen here;

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/14037/lot/236A/[/url]

The Bentley coupe that I find most attractive is the Continental Coupe

sc_rufctr 04-23-2018 12:22 AM

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sc_rufctr 04-23-2018 12:24 AM

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sc_rufctr 04-23-2018 12:25 AM

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epbrown 04-23-2018 01:56 AM

My preference was always the more rare and understated James Young coupe, as I like the lines of the original Silver Shadow:

http://ipocars.com/imgs/a/h/u/l/g/ro...1967_2_lgw.jpg

If I remember it right, there were only 15 JY coupes made in LHD. The only one I ever ran across for sale was a rust bucket in Lousiana with a trashed interior that "ran when parked."

KFC911 04-23-2018 02:34 AM

For years, the little blue collar, working class town I grew up in, had the only Rolls/Bentley dealership in NC...sitting there in a non-descript building on Main St. in the ritzy section....across from MickeyDs :). Still there...in hs, we used to joke about trying to take a test drive....hmmm ;)

You know the only time you ever see such things on the road here (along with stretch limos, etc.)? When the largest furniture trade show in the world occurs twice a year....and folks from CA are here ;)

sc_rufctr 04-23-2018 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by epbrown (Post 10011696)
My preference was always the more rare and understated James Young coupe, as I like the lines of the original Silver Shadow:

http://ipocars.com/imgs/a/h/u/l/g/ro...1967_2_lgw.jpg

If I remember it right, there were only 15 JY coupes made in LHD. The only one I ever ran across for sale was a rust bucket in Lousiana with a trashed interior that "ran when parked."

Very handsome and rare!

Eric 951 04-23-2018 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 10011707)
For years, the little blue collar, working class town I grew up in, had the only Rolls/Bentley dealership in NC...sitting there in a non-descript building on Main St. in the ritzy section....across from MickeyDs :). Still there...in hs, we used to joke about trying to take a test drive....hmmm ;)

You know the only time you ever see such things on the road here (along with stretch limos, etc.)? When the largest furniture trade show in the world occurs twice a year....and folks from CA are here ;)


I wonder if that is the dealership which Car and Driver ran an article about years ago. The owner was fastidious about RR(and in general). He would cut the VIN plates out of any RR he heard was in a scrapyard. He could rattle off the history of almost any RR going off the VIN. They mentioned he never showed his personal collection to anyone and his DD was a K-car station wagon.

WPOZZZ 04-23-2018 03:39 AM

Back in high school. my aunt drove one of these. My cousin had a DeLorean and I had a Mustang, so the surfboards would not fit in our cars. We ended up taking the triple blue Corniche to the beach...with the top down. lol

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/e1/a1/3d/e...cea68f1322.jpg

stuartj 04-23-2018 03:50 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH4aMZapC6Q

Check out this "Derelict" RR, recently on Jay Lenos show.

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speeder 04-23-2018 07:19 AM

Jay Leno was of course a RR/Bentley mechanic before making it in entertainment. He would be a fairly affluent guy even if he'd never succeeded in Hollywood, as long as he stayed in L.A. and bought a nice house back in the '70s.

Bob Kontak 04-23-2018 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sc_rufctr (Post 10011686)

Praise Jeebus. How pretty is that?

stuartj 04-23-2018 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 10011972)
Jay Leno was of course a RR/Bentley mechanic before making it in entertainment. He would be a fairly affluent guy even if he'd never succeeded in Hollywood, as long as he stayed in L.A. and bought a nice house back in the '70s.

That one is not his, it was built in LA from a right hooker donor car for an Australian customer.

Tervuren 04-23-2018 03:55 PM

Epbrown, was your 928 a manual or auto?

I like the line up in all red, not normal for the 928 to be that color.

As for the RR, looking at the latest post I think I have a decided preference for the four door over the two door from an exterior styling perspective. (At least, when it comes to the hard tops.)

sammyg2 04-23-2018 04:07 PM

Uh, these cars are built in England.
I doan care if they use veedub parts or beemer parts, they're still built in England.

But I suppose you could always "Americanize" it and make it good.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1524528410.jpg

Bob Kontak 04-23-2018 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tervuren (Post 10012659)
I think I have a decided preference for the four door over the two door from an exterior styling perspective.

This baffles me.

The two doors put a spot in my trousers.

Huge ass, ostentatious car that is quite simple (looking).

Bob Kontak 04-23-2018 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 10012673)
Uh, these cars are built in England.

Their shiet is so needlessly complex.

I have semi restored a 77 Jag 12 cyl XJL.

Both EGR valves opened whenever the hell they wanted to. At idle included. Lucas.

$850 per if you could find them. And you could not find them.

You think RR had a different platform back then?

tabs 04-23-2018 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speeder (Post 10011972)
Jay Leno was of course a RR/Bentley mechanic before making it in entertainment. He would be a fairly affluent guy even if he'd never succeeded in Hollywood, as long as he stayed in L.A. and bought a nice house back in the '70s.

Leno was a Lambo guy...

wdfifteen 04-23-2018 06:47 PM

Wow! I've been looking at a late 50s -early 60s Mopar boat, but at those prices I could have a nice Roller or Bentley. I'm adjusting my sights. Thanks for this heads up.

ficke 04-23-2018 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 10012915)
Wow! I've been looking at a late 50s -early 60s Mopar boat, but at those prices I could have a nice Roller or Bentley. I'm adjusting my sights. Thanks for this heads up.

The original question of this thread was "why are these cars so cheap?"

I guess that got lost, and it became a "aren't these cool cars for cheap" thread.

But the answer to the original question is " they are very expensive to keep running"
And "sedans just do not have the following of coupes or sports cars"
The entry into a RR might be the same as a 50s-60s mopar you are looking at but the running cost are not even in the same hemisphere.
So you might end up with garage art if you buy one not prepared to spend the purchase price to drive it.
And that cheap RR you bought will sell for the same cheap amount regardless of what you spent to maintain it.
But they are cool cars and will be fun for people who are aware and prepared for what it takes to make them reliable drivers.

wdfifteen 04-23-2018 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ficke (Post 10012930)
The original question of this thread was "why are these cars so cheap?"

I guess that got lost, and it became a "aren't these cool cars for cheap" thread.

But the answer to the original question is " they are very expensive to keep running"
And "sedans just do not have the following of coupes or sports cars"
The entry into a RR might be the same as a 50s-60s mopar you are looking at but the running cost are not even in the same hemisphere.
So you might end up with garage art if you buy one not prepared to spend the purchase price to drive it.
And that cheap RR you bought will sell for the same cheap amount regardless of what you spent to maintain it.
But they are cool cars and will be fun for people who are aware and prepared for what it takes to make them reliable drivers.

Sounds like you answered your own question.
I have no problem with dropping a GM 350/350 into a Rolls Royce with a bad ticker. I'm only a purist up to a point.

tabs 04-23-2018 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 10012682)
This baffles me.

The two doors put a spot in my trousers.

Huge ass, ostentatious car that is quite simple (looking).

Are you sure it wasn't the "huge ass" that caused you to spot your pants?

tabs 04-23-2018 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 10012944)
Sounds like you answered your own question.
I have no problem with dropping a GM 350/350 into a Rolls Royce with a bad ticker. I'm only a purist up to a point.

This shows what you don't know. The brake load leveling system makes your dropping a 350 in a lot more difficult. That is why you don't hear about it being done like a jag.The brakes are not like a normal system.

speeder 04-23-2018 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 10012915)
Wow! I've been looking at a late 50s -early 60s Mopar boat, but at those prices I could have a nice Roller or Bentley. I'm adjusting my sights. Thanks for this heads up.

Here is where you want to start. Look at the inventory and prices of new Rolls Royce cars from this dealer that is a banner ad on my Pelican OT for some reason:

https://www.rollsroycebraman.com/VehicleSearchResults?model=Phantom&search=new&page Number=1&visitedVD=true

Then, look at the prices of used ones a few years old. Go back and forth a few times if necessary. You seem like a smart guy, this shouldn’t take long. :)

epbrown 04-24-2018 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Tervuren (Post 10012659)
Epbrown, was your 928 a manual or auto?

It was an auto. I tend to prefer manuals but everything I read on the 928 said the auto better suited its character, and I agree with that. I'd love another one, a black 928S4 with auto would be perfect.

As a side note: In Frank Miller's comic book mini-series Batman: Year One, about Bruce Wayne's first year as Batman, Bruce owned a Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow and a Porsche 928.

ficke 04-24-2018 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 10012944)
Sounds like you answered your own question.
I have no problem with dropping a GM 350/350 into a Rolls Royce with a bad ticker. I'm only a purist up to a point.

I did not ask a question, I pointed out this thread was started with a question, and then had good answers. I tried to give you the "Cliff notes" on it.

wdfifteen 04-24-2018 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 10013032)

Then, look at the prices of used ones a few years old. Go back and forth a few times if necessary. You seem like a smart guy, this shouldn’t take long. :)

I wouldn’t want one “a few years old.” I’d want one from the 70s as mentioned in the OP.

sc_rufctr 04-24-2018 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 10012643)
Praise Jeebus. How pretty is that?

How about this one? I have a thing for fixed head coupes. ;)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1524575368.jpg

sc_rufctr 04-24-2018 05:29 AM

Old but still relevant video. Some thing don't change.

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tabs 04-24-2018 10:08 AM

That vid makes me want to run out and get another...They reek of old world luxury.

A Volvo oxygen sensor was the same one used on a RR. 110 from Volvo, 60 from RR.

The little plastic bit on the end of the Shift Lever $50. New Grill for a SS 1700. Redo front brakes 750. Rebuild brake Collectors about a grand. Recore radiator 1100. Those are early 90's prices. Ask me how I know?

tabs 04-24-2018 10:15 AM

The drop head coupe or maybe fixed head is the only way to go. They were hand built cars vs semi production. Anything before 91 is a REAL RR.

The way RR used to restore the Connely upholstery hides was to soak them in milk. Figure it out.

tabs 04-24-2018 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ficke (Post 10013166)
I did not ask a question, I pointed out this thread was started with a question, and then had good answers. I tried to give you the "Cliff notes" on it.

Thx for the Readers Digest version.

McLovin 04-24-2018 10:23 AM

Repair cost is one thing, for sure, but there are lots of other reasons they are so cheap.

The primary one being: Who would want to own one?

I think that pool is very small.

I think it would be fun to cruise around in one for a weekend for some laughs, but to actually OWN one, as in, taking up valuable garage space, paying insurance and registration costs, etc. etc. ?

I think I'm a pretty typical 40-50 yo gearhead car guy here, but I wouldn't want a 70s or 80s Rolls even if it were free. Space is limited, time is limited, and there's just way too many other cars that are far ahead on the list. Plus, I wouldn't really want to be seen driving around in that.

I think many or most are in the same boat. Low demand = low prices.

tabs 04-24-2018 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by CJFusco (Post 10010784)
I wonder what to account for the differences. Different models/years?

Maintainence.

tabs 04-24-2018 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McLovin (Post 10013550)
Repair cost is one thing, for sure, but there are lots of other reasons they are so cheap.

The primary one being: Who would want to own one?

I think that pool is very small.

I think it would be fun to cruise around in one for a weekend for some laughs, but to actually OWN one, as in, taking up valuable garage space, paying insurance and registration costs, etc. etc. ?

I think I'm a pretty typical 40-50 yo gearhead car guy here, but I wouldn't want a 70s or 80s Rolls even if it were free. Space is limited, time is limited, and there's just way too many other cars that are far ahead on the list. Plus, I wouldn't really want to be seen driving around in that.

I think many or most are in the same boat. Low demand = low prices.

There is sufficient demand for them.


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