Thanks for all the help (Pics)

[IMR-Merlin]

Just wanted to say thanks to all that helped me with the advice.

Here are some updates.

[962porsche]

WOW ! that really looks great i love the color .

[redturbo911]

That car means business. Sweet ride.

[yel911]

+1 for the color.... beautiful!!!

[IMR-Merlin]

Originally Posted by yel911

+1 for the color.... beautiful!!!

I'm only 20 minutes North if you ever want to come take a look in person

[yel911]

[QUOTEI'm only 20 minutes North if you ever want to come take a look in person][/QUOTE]

I gonna have to take a ride....

[armandodiaz]

What color is that? I'm looking for a nice color blue, to go along with my speed yellow.

[IMR-Merlin]

It's a Toyota paint code. I will have to look it up when I get back out in the shop.

[IMR-Merlin]

Wel I mounted the doors today and I am a bit disappointed. Even with paying extra attention to perfect mixtures of the clear/activator/reducer. The doors are flatter and thus a bit darker than the rest of the car. So it seems that I am going to have to scuff the whole car and top coat with one even and homogenous coat of clear. I am not sure if I am getting a bad batch of PPG flexed n' flat or the 3-5 degree temperature difference is creating different results. When I sprayed the doors, it was a bit cooler and the doors are flatter than the car. 3 steps forward, 2 steps back.

[962porsche]

let me ask did you have the doors off the car laying flat on stands when you painted them ?
then how were the fenders laying flat on stands then the what about the QTR's they are vertical . the thing when painting is 1st and for most all the parts that your painting off the car have to be oriented as they are hanging on the car . the temp of that little bit will have no effect on the dark or light of the color .
how ever if you lay a part flat the matallics will not lay out the same way .
then when you spray clear on a flat serface you will be spraying more mills of top coat this too will change the way the light reflects off the metallics .
with some colors the thicker or more mills of clear you will get a darker color .
the fix is not to just spray more clear you will have to rebase out the doors and blemd the color into the fenders and the QTR's .
there was no reason to flex the clear you only flex the top coat if it's a soft rubber part like rubber bumpers .

[IMR-Merlin]

the metallic looks the same, the sheen on the clear is different. If I hit both surfaces with a prep cleaner they look identical, it's the clear that is causing the issues. This is also noted on the gas cap door which was painted the same time the doors were and was oriented the same position as the fenders were (painted) earlier.

the tail and wing also had a flatter sheen (base was the same color) and they were painted at the same time as the doors. Oriented correctly.

In an answer to your first question the doors were flat, so I can see I might have an issue there, but why everything else that was correctly oriented? I definitely have a clear issue. Again if I take some Omni prep cleaner and wipe the door/fender or door/quarter transition you can see that the base color is a perfect match, then once the solvent dries off, the door is a flatter sheen and due to that, it makes it look a slight bit darker and a bit more purple. I am assuming that the flat is masking some of the metallic light refraction.

Oh and just for the record, this was the second time I shot the doors as I thought I was off on my paint the first time. I also sprayed the gas door again as I thought the first batch was wrong (painted with the doors both times).

[IMR-Merlin]

[IMR-Merlin]

I actually like the slightly higher gloss from the original shoot and not the ultra flat velvet look of the door.

[DeFreest]

Originally Posted by IMR-Merlin

I actually like the slightly higher gloss from the original shoot and not the ultra flat velvet look of the door.

Agreed. Man that looks good!

[962porsche]

so your really saying what i was !
it's not the metallic in it's self it's the way the light bounces back off thru the clear that will make a color darker . it's how thick the clear is that will change the the color so when you look close you will not see any real differents . you would have to use a scope to see the metallics them selfs .

wetting it up with a prepaint cleaner is just washing out the flat of the clear making it shinny . it has to do with the mills of the paint AKA how thick the clear is . what it does is when the clear is thicker in one spot like say the doors because people spray more metarial on flat areas it changes the dry time . by changing the dry time you change the gloss of a low gloss clear .
just adding more gloss clear over all the same panels you still not making all the mills the same as they need to be as not to get one panel darker than another .
if you were to just spray a high gloss clear you would not see any diferent in one panel being darker than the others just like you don't when you wet it up with prepaint cleaner . it has to do with light and the way it hits the panel and the gloss it has .

you see what i'm saying ? if you have say 5 mills of clear on the QTR's and fenders and then 10 on the doors and you just spray more clear you will just add clear making it 10 mills on the QTR and fenders and 15 on the doors . so by just adding more clear your in the same boat .
you have to bleand out the color then spray the panels with all the some mills of clear with the panel oriented the same as they hang on the car . by doing that you know for sure your going to get it right .

[IMR-Merlin]

I completely get what you are saying, but its not quite what I am saying and it's not the same issue. If the depth of the clear were to be causing the color variation I would have an issue with my hood also.

If you remember I had to re shoot the entire car (wrong temp reducer on first attempt). Only issue for the hood was I only had one decal and it was already mounted and cleared over. So I couldn't respray color on the hood. So I took a chance, re painted the complete car (base and clear), based the fenders and added 2 coats of clear to the parts. As well as hitting the hood with 400 wet and adding 2 coats of clear over the existing base and clear. Hood, fenders and shell all have the same sheen. Hood has 4 coats (less the amount lost in the scuffing) of clear while painted in the flat orientation while the fenders, and shell have 2 coats of clear and everything matches perfect regarding color and sheen. I painted the gas cap door the same time I painted the doors and it too has the ultra flat finish. So if what you are sating is correct, then the hood should be much darker and flatter than the rest of the car, even flatter and darker than the doors.

I have decided to take the day away from the shop and spend it with my family. I will regroup and attack it this weeks sometime (or this afternoon if it keeps bugging me. haha)

Thanks for all the input

Brendon

[962porsche]

often you will not see the a color differents from the hood to other panels next to it because they are rounded and the hood is flat . were you will see it to the side panels of a car as they are bugger and flater to one another .

[IMR-Merlin]

I am looking across the front of the panels where all 3 meet and are on the same plane. The hood has 4 coats of clear, the fenders 2

[armandodiaz]

Also note..... It's a race car.

Any imperfections, just put a sticker over it