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Rust Repair Sequence SWB Porsche
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My 1967 912 has rust and needs the parcel shelf, rear seats, rockers and floor replaced - For those that have performed rust repair on their early 911/912s - do you have a recommended sequence to perform these operations. (For example 1- rear seats 2 parcel shelf 3- rear floor Etc). I understand that the answer might depend on personal preference however all input is appreciated. I received a few responses when mistakenly posted this in the technical forum but was recommended to post here. Thanks Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
I'm no expert but I have carried out these repairs on my own car.
I certainly learned what not to do, as well as figuring out a practical way to attack some of these issues. Without photos of the rot it's difficult to give you detailed advice. Posting some pictures here will help the people who really know share their knowledge. To start I would suggest checking out Chris Neilsen's (sp?) posts on this forum repairing one of his earlier cars. He gives great write-ups and has lots of detailed pictures. He deals with a rather tricky repair of the rear window corners in one of the threads. The other place to look is on DDK in their restoration thread. There is a master on the site that does a lot of the restoration work. Again, he takes lots of pictures and demonstrates how a 'pro' approaches repairs. Barry Carter is his name. But be warned, his work is amazing, so don't get discouraged by the quality of fit and finish. You don't need to be as good as he is to effect strong, sound repairs. The first step is to clear away all the paint and get down to bare metal. There are different ways of doing this, each with their pros and cons. Getting to bare metal will give you good idea of how much solid steel you have to work with. Welding patches onto anything other than sound steel is a waste of time. This will also tell you how much patching or replacing you need to do. The general rule is to try and save as much original metal as possible. Once you have established how much rot there is you can decide whether to cut away within a panel and fabricate a patch or use part of a new replacement panel (either OE or Dansk / Restoration Design) The rear seats are not complicated to patch or drill out the spot-welds and replace. The scale and spread of the rot will determine whether you need to cut and patch or drill and replace. Photos will help. This can be done in isolation of the rear parcel shelf. Depending on the model, the rear seat section can be removed without touching the parcel shelf pressing. The rear floor is also not too difficult. A rotisserie or octagon is a huge help if the entire car is stripped. If not then the repair is a bit tricker as aside from patching holes, a proper repair involves drilling out the spot welds along the sill edges, the lower edge of the seat support panel and the transmission tunnel. To do this upside down is a form of torture. And welding upside down is a very simple and effective way of showering yourself with small lumps of molten metal (ask me how I know!) The parcel shelf is a bit trickier as there are multiple pieces that come together to create the structural strength around the rear windscreen. You also need to ensure that the rear screen opening stays true. Depending on the integrity of the window frame corners, it may be best to replace the parcel shelf first. As long as the corners of the frame are solid, the frame will give you a datum to align the parcel shelf, the support and inner corners. Once the shelf is in and aligned, you can then attack the rear window corners. All of these repairs can be done with a decent MIG, some good clamps, and a reasonable level of skill. I am living proof that with the right guidance and lots of patience you can do the the job yourself. Good luck. |
Rust Repair Sequence SWB Porsche
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Thanks for the insightful advice. I will look into the guys you mention. I'm sure I'll get discouraged along the way but I think patience plays a big part in this whole thing. I have bought the floor kit, rocker kits, and rear seat kit from RD. The car is on a octosserie (sp) that I saw on this forum. I still need to strip the car to bare metal but I think I might have to do that a section at a time since can only work on the car when time allows. This is going to take me some time but I enjoy working with my hands. We'll see how it goes. Thanks again. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...6fb4b3b8bc.jpg |
Welcome to the club
The best thing to do is make a start.
Well done. It will be hugely rewarding and hugely frustrating. But there is so much detailed knowledge shared on the forums that it's hard to go very wrong. Patience is the best tool you can own. I have been working on mine for 5 years now. I have done everything myself - short of the sandblasting. I've learned a lot along the way. My thread is on the forum here (incomplete as I moved it to another forum) 'a sort of barn find' After patience, the octisserie is the next most important tool. My has been absolutely indispensable. With regards stripping the car I suggest the following: - if you can leave the harness in place. It will be a pain in some instances and you may be tempted to cut it, remove it and take pictures for when you come to put it back together. But don't. Wrap it up securely and leave it. At least that way, you have the option of copying an intact harness when the time comes. - find a good blaster (research and references here will pay off) who has done cars before and knows how to do cars. Get the jig on a trailer and take it to them. The time saving and thoroughness of the stripping job when it comes to the underside of the car are massive. To try and do a decent job getting rid of the underseal and muck around the torque tube by hand is near impossible. I did the interior by hand and it was a big job. Check out fishcop's S resto to get an idea of the job involved. - the other 'flat' panels will need to be done by hand. Even a very experienced sad blaster will stay well away from flat panels: the friction and thus heat generated by the abrasive action of the blasting medium warps the panels. Just so you know. Stripping by hand is very rewarding, when you get through all the paint and end up with beautifully shiny metal. This is best done with paint stripper / a razor scraper (carefully) and a face-off disk. - resist the urge to cut anything until you are looking at bare metal. I made some cuts that I thought were no-brainers only to discover later that I had made more work for myself. It's a real test of patience and colourful vocab, but drilling out spot-welds and removing rotten pieces of panels - if you need to - is the better way to go in the long run. - The scale of the job will test your determination. Often. To avoid feeling like you are in over your head (all the time) my advice is to break the major jobs down into 4 hour jobs. Essentially, half day on a weekend. This makes the list of work very long but it gives you a sense of accomplishment and progress. This will be very useful when you get that 'what the hell am I doing' feeling. Means you can cross stuff off the list. - Invest in some high quality safety gear (I may be telling you what you already know). Particularly eyes, ears and hands. I have been working with wood and machines all my life with the scars to prove it, yet it took me temporary blindness and 14 stitches to learn this lesson again. Lots of clamps of different styles makes fitting and working panels easier. And lastly, get a simple shrinker stretcher from Harbour Freight or the like. It makes making little flange patches and fitting replacement panels much much easier. Good luck. Look forward to seeing the progress. |
This is some great advice. I have been allocating and 1hr here and there. I have a very active 1yr old that deserves my attention most days. I agree that any small progress is good progress. I'm thinking that 5 years is probably right for me also- given the amount of time I'm able to dedicate to the project.
In regards to safety- i am very strict about using personal protective equipment- especially when it comes to eye protection. Everything seems to fall into my eyes - it's ridiculous. Thanks for the great advice. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Lots of help out here.....
Been there done that...Floor, RR Torsion repair kits, RR Qtr Inner Panel repairs, new Quarter Panels, Inner & Outer Rocker panels, parcel shelf, bulkhead, RR seat pans, front latch panel, L&R Inner Fenders, lateral and gas tank supports.... Restoration Design has some Youtube Videos, but I think the Art is in the preparation and removal of the old rusty stuff. They don't give tips on that. They also have the original Porsche diagrams, so you can check dimensions. You need to be very careful, and fully understand how the new pieces should fit, before tearing into the 'ol girl.....If you have specific questions about certain areas,
or removal techniques, shout out.... I waited a long time for Restoration Design to make the parts to finally fix this front end correctly. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1510248850.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1510248850.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1510248850.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1510248850.jpg |
Notes on Rear Parcel Shelf - Lessons Learned.
One thing to take note on replacing the rear parcel shelf is to understand that the Rear Hinges mount to the panel, and the height of the Engine Lid is directly related to the height of the Rear Parcel Shelf. So make sure you check Engine Lid height, fit and opening locus, before welding everything up...
Dan "lessons learned" |
Awesome. Thanks for the great advice. And thanks for the tip on the engine lid height.
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