Race engine oil filter, street cars deserve the best

[Turbo_pro]

The Hubb oil filter system

I have these filters on 3 of my cars.
I got them from Supertec when Henry first got these filters.
The data I'm posting came from the Hubb website.

Filter Specifications
• Filter-in-a-filter design that is 99% efficient at removing oil contaminants at 25 microns
(versus 52% for conventional filters)
• Two pressure differential valves for increased oil flow and engine safety
• Filter is made of surgical stainless 316L weave and is cased with a hardened aluminum
shell.
• All internal parts are easy to clean and re-usable
• Entire filter is completely recyclable – no waste
• Filter can be drained 100% of oil – does not capture and hold oil in filter like paper filters
(approximately 5 ounces per filter)
• Improve oil flow by up to 5 times, when compared to conventional filters, to reduce
engine friction
• Produce an oil flow rate of up to 50 gallons/minute, compared to 10-12 gallons/minute
for conventional filters
• Require only .2 PSI/gallon to push oil flow, compared to 7 PSI/gallon for conventional
filters
• Increase contaminant storage capacity by 5 times, but do not accumulate unrecyclable
oil like conventional filters
• Reduce carbon monoxide emissions by up to 30% and nitric oxide emissions by up to
16%
• Double your standard oil change interval reducing oil costs by 50% or more
• Ability to have Hubb clean the filters and manage your filter core inventory for you

[Porsche904Guy]

I wonder what that bad boy runs. Don't see the 1980's Porsche's on their site.

[Turbo_pro]

Originally Posted by Porsche904Guy

I wonder what that bad boy runs. Don't see the 1980's Porsche's on their site.

Special order through Supertec.
Contact Henry for pricing. You'll be surprised at the price.

[Henry Schmidt]

I will be contacting our host with hopes that they will want to carry this product.
Hubb doesn't generally deal with smallish orders so it would help pricing if we could get the quantity up.
Until then, I think it inappropriate to advertise pricing here.

[76FJ55]

Originally Posted by Turbo_pro

The Hubb oil filter system

I have these filters on 3 of my cars.
I got them from Supertec when Henry first got these filters.
The data I'm posting came from the Hubb website.

Quote:
Filter Specifications
• Filter-in-a-filter design that is 99% efficient at removing oil contaminants at 25 microns
(versus 52% for conventional filters)
• Two pressure differential valves for increased oil flow and engine safety
• Filter is made of surgical stainless 316L weave and is cased with a hardened aluminum
shell.
• All internal parts are easy to clean and re-usable
• Entire filter is completely recyclable – no waste
• Filter can be drained 100% of oil – does not capture and hold oil in filter like paper filters
(approximately 5 ounces per filter)
• Improve oil flow by up to 5 times, when compared to conventional filters, to reduce
engine friction
• Produce an oil flow rate of up to 50 gallons/minute, compared to 10-12 gallons/minute
for conventional filters
• Require only .2 PSI/gallon to push oil flow, compared to 7 PSI/gallon for conventional
filters
• Increase contaminant storage capacity by 5 times, but do not accumulate unrecyclable
oil like conventional filters
• Reduce carbon monoxide emissions by up to 30% and nitric oxide emissions by up to
16%
• Double your standard oil change interval reducing oil costs by 50% or more
• Ability to have Hubb clean the filters and manage your filter core inventory for you


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Call me a sceptic, but a a number of things in this list an oil filter wont solve.
any independent testing to support any of those claims?

[Henry Schmidt]

According to Chris Hubbard [Hubb Filter] all data is independently verified by 3rd party laboratory testing.
The website offers as much information as you need.

RESEARCH & TESTING

Proven Performance
Formal research and testing on the HUBB oil filter was conducted by Automotive Testing and Development Services, Inc. (ATDS) of Ontario, California. ATDS has previously done extensive work in the area of vehicle durability and emission testing for various automotive OEMs, California’s Air Resources Board (ARB) and the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).

HUBB also worked with a nationally recognized, independent testing laboratory to perform other International Organization for Standardization (ISO) standard oil filter testing. They are also well known in the filter industry and performs testing for many brands of filters.

Analysis for fleets that have used the HUBB oil filter was conducted by Blackstone Laboratories, Fort Wayne, Indiana and Polaris Laboratories, Indianapolis, Indiana.

[David Inc.]

It does seem very sexy, but is it quantifiably better in the way that matters most, i.e., engine wear? I saw the white papers after a glance but not one specific to wear, only that they suggest regular oil sampling for fleets.

I feel that I'm standing at the precipice of a rabbit's hole...

[Henry Schmidt]

Originally Posted by David Inc.

It does seem very sexy, but is it quantifiably better in the way that matters most, i.e., engine wear? I saw the white papers after a glance but not one specific to wear, only that they suggest regular oil sampling for fleets.

I feel that I'm standing at the precipice of a rabbit's hole...

• Filter-in-a-filter design that is 99% efficient at removing oil contaminants at 25 microns (versus 52% for conventional filters)
• Two pressure differential valves for increased oil flow and engine safety

[David Inc.]

Mesh filters will be absolutely incredible to their limit but then do nothing below I thought, so like a paper might filter some stuff at 10 micron, a 25 micron mesh won't do anything. I have no idea how much stuff is <25 micron though. Just curious how it compares in real world scenarios.

[Henry Schmidt]

Originally Posted by David Inc.

Mesh filters will be absolutely incredible to their limit but then do nothing below I thought, so like a paper might filter some stuff at 10 micron, a 25 micron mesh won't do anything. I have no idea how much stuff is <25 micron though. Just curious how it compares in real world scenarios.

New design, new theories and fleet tested. Millions of miles of testing by people who calculate every nuance. Million dollar trucks that have to stay running in order to make the financial sense.
Chris was telling me about a few race teams campaigning these filters [[NASCAR, IMSA and FIA World Endurance] with incredible success. Wear is the enemy and clean oil is the answer.
If new ideas frighten you, stick to paper.
I've been building air-cooled Porsche engines for 40 year with pretty good success and wouldn't risk them on unproven technology.

[David Inc.]

Not naysaying just my understanding of mesh v fiber, wondering how they handle it.

[shoooo32]

The vintage race team I crew for has been using these style filters for a long time with great success. And with companies like Mahle cheapening their designs and outsourcing manufacturing to China, I'm more inclined to try one on the 911.

[Kraftwerk]

Lifetime oil filter, wow~ ! The cleaning process is involved... How much is the Hubb-branded Cleaning Station? What is in the HUBB
Cleaning Concentrate ?

[pmax]

Sounds similar.

https://www.gopurepower.com/specs/

Has magnets.
Does look pretty.

[ant7]

When comparing the price on that website to conventional paper filters, I think many folk are going to stick with paper!!!

[WonkoTheSane]

Considering I've put over 15k miles on my 911 in just the last 6 months, and have had to go through some hassle already getting a China made Mahle filter, I think I could justify the price.

[ant7]

I agree if your doing that kind of mileage!
However; I am still sceptical.

Originally Posted by WonkoTheSane

Considering I've put over 15k miles on my 911 in just the last 6 months, and have had to go through some hassle already getting a China made Mahle filter, I think I could justify the price.

[Henry Schmidt]

Originally Posted by ant7

When comparing the price on that website to conventional paper filters, I think many folk are going to stick with paper!!!

Some of the engine we build have a price tag of $70K+.
I'm thinking preserving or even extending the bearing life seems well worth the price. Much like buying a premium oil.

[ant7]

Do you have any reports that you could share with us from engine analysis/tear downs etc after being run with this type of filter over a set amount of miles ? that would be great and very helpful.

Originally Posted by Henry Schmidt

Some of the engine we build have a price tag of $70K+.
I'm thinking preserving or even extending the bearing life seems well worth the price. Much like buying a premium oil.

[Henry Schmidt]

Originally Posted by ant7

Do you have any reports that you could share with us from engine analysis/tear downs etc after being run with this type of filter over a set amount of miles ? that would be great and very helpful.

All the information you need is on the Hubb website. The expectation of cleaner oil would dictate better results.