911 door compatibility?

[orbmedia]

Are the doors from a 993 the exact same as from say a 3.2 Carrera? Are they similar or are they exact part numbers? Do coupe doors differ from targa and cab doors?

I heard through the '98 model year the 911 doors and hood are just about the only unchanged body panels. Is this down to the part number or do they mean visually identical?

C'mon, who's a door expert out there?

[Tyson Schmidt]

Coupe, Targa and Cabriolet door shells are all the same. '73 and newer doors have door beams for side-impact protection. The doors hinge panel area was changed slightly in '86, I believe, but are still retrofittable.

The doors from '90-on are a little different, I think, but are very much largely unchanged up to '98. In other words, I think you could bolt a '98 door onto a '65, but the little details wouldn't match up perfectly.

The doors on my '92 look almost identical to my '72, except for where the wiring goes through the door in the jamb area, and I think the arm bolster attachment is slightly different.

[Roland Kunz]

Hello

Are the doors from a 993 the exact same as from say a 3.2 Carrera?
No
Are they similar or are they exact part numbers?
? Can´t understand the sense of that question.
Do coupe doors differ from targa and cab doors?
Yes the Targa/Convertible have a sheetmetal welded into the window channelends to avoid a visible gap.

I heard through the '98 model year the 911 doors and hood are just about the only unchanged body panels. Is this down to the part number or do they mean visually identical?

The generaly shape ( the outher skin ) is the same from 65-98 but the innner structur changed several times.
The front hood canged in 74 massivly and also has some little chages in 89 ( trunk light ) and 94 ( Washer nozzles in trunklid ).

The inner door skin changed in this main spoting phases:

65-68 the rear from the door has a rised area where the door lock sits.

69-79 flat rear end and some holes with sliding flat nuts for the door pockets. one hole more for the wireloom ( Electric winder ).
The door stop area is changed.
71- the mounting screws for the rear lock changed from M5 to M6 needing a deeper recces
73- US only, reinforcement beam, big hole for the alarm lock
77- relocation from the mirror holes and one more hole for wireloom ( mirror ) again. The sliding nuts where removed, the door pocktes use plastic anchors for the screws.
80- reinforcement beam standard ROW, more holes for new winder system reinforced door stop area.

85-89 The two holes for the upper frame mount in the rear changed to a long cutout. The upper front end was changed the recesed area helps the mirrorswitch a support brace will hold the upper cover. The door will now carry a two way speaker system and the door pockets where slightly shortent on the front end so the front is screwed direct to the skin and not indirect via the little plastic cube. The backend has two little holes for the internal door mechanismen cover. The door locks are mountet with reinforcment washers. The rear door pocket anchor area is reinforced from the backside

89-94 (964) big hole on the frontend to run the new wireloom

94-98 (993) big hole on the underside for the windowframemounting. some holes more for internals.

Porsche always replaced the stocks with newer doors so you always had to modify the new doors to the old versions or just boltet it up as it is. The 993 door will fit into the 65 body and all the holes are in it or marked to be drilled up.
If you use a 89- door the interiour light switch will not work correct.

Fiting a 65 door into a 993 is big work.

Grüsse

[ChrisBennet]

The Porsche door is a design form that has remained basically
unchanged for more than 30 years. When asked why the Carrera
door hadn't been altered, chief designer Harm Lagaay simply
replied, "It's a good door."
From PCNA's web site circa 1997

[Tyson Schmidt]

Wow Roland! That is serious detail! I had no idea that coupe door shells were different than Cabriolet/Targa shells. I actually had a pair of coupe door shells on my '72 at one time. I just swapped the wing windows and channels over. I could not tell the difference.

Could you give me more detail about the difference between the coupe and Targa/Cab shells?

[Roland Kunz]

Hello

Easy, I´m in the resto biz and know the basics.

Wish i had pictures.

The open cars doors have just a short piece ( aprox. 5 mm ) of sheetmetall soldered/brazed (flush with the upper edge) on the inner ends from the window channel to fill the gap wich is not existing on the full framed Coupe versions ( Not true as they filled it with a "fillpiece" or just body sealant on the front end.

The basic door shell is alaways a coupe version and the Conv/targa needs a slight modification. In reality not very much "experts" out there know that or do it.

Grüsse

[Tyson Schmidt]

OK, I feel better now. I think I know where you are talking about. The coupe window frames at the front where the wing window is, have a plastic piece that fills in the gap.

But it makes me feel better that most "experts" don't know the difference either.

[Roland Kunz]

Hello

Jupps they also have a little sheet on the rearend from the channel. This avoids poor looks, ads some stabilty and avoids wind noise as the channel will work like a pipe.

Its all the detail.

Grüsse

[roGERK]

Roland - your knowledge of these cars is incredible!

Once again, (and its often) you amaze me...

- roGER

[C. Clark]

Roland,
So if a person wanted, what interior door panels would fit starting in 68 and going forward? Did the wheelbase change in 69 change the door size? I'm having a difficult time figureing out what to do with the pockets on my 69. so expensive for new ones....
What does Gr,sse mean? a German American friend who speaks limited German had no idea.
Thanks,
Chas

[304065]

Reviving this thread after four years.

How about photos of the doors? A photo of the lock end, hinge end and the inner door skin would be excellent for the archives.

(Roland, we raise a glass in honor of your memory and unique style!)

[304065]

1966 SWB Door Lock End (mit Rost!)


1992 964 Door Lock End (keine Rost!)

[304065]

1988 Lock End

[304065]

1971 Lock End

[304065]

1968 Door Interiors

[304065]

1985 doors, both ends (thanks Ebay!)

[304065]

1970 door inside



1971 Door inside and bottom

[1967911s]

pictures of the 'newer' doors







obvious mods are to mirror mounts, what that the others ?

thanks

[1967911s]

I am looking to fit these newer doors to a 68 swb 911. What mods are required ?

[redturbo911]

This is great info keep it alive...