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Leland Pate 04-18-2004 05:44 PM

The dreaded.... "clutch pedal return spring"
 
Today was an interesting day. At 0800 hrs, I went to a friends house to help him rebuild his pedal cluster. I too had a rebuild kit (Weltmiester) and figured, "what the hay... what's one more"? :D

So, we set off to rebuild two pedal clusters before 1400 hrs local.

It went off without a hitch. Since I had done this on my old SC, I knew exactly how to do it. That made the job much easier.

Then it came down to it...

The big one...

The ever dreaded...

Ever hated...

Confounded...

blasted...

Pinnicle of P-DIY mountains...

...the clutch pedal return spring.

AND we had to do TWO of them!

So, here's the scoop. Whoever thought this was a great way to build this cluster ought to be drug out and flogged. We heeved, we yanked, we pulled... no way.
I admit. I'm pretty beefcake. But, damn if I couldn't get that spring to stretch far enough. Finally I'd had it.

It was time to bring out the "Non-Conventional" inventory.

War plans were devised; a tie down strap was secured.

And "this" lady and gentlemen, is how Ken and I BEAT the clutch pedal return spring:


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I took a breaker bar and set it behind the seat rails... ran a cargo strap though it and towards the cluster.
We then took a large pair of vise grips and attached that to the spring with the strap running though the teeth.

Then we tightened the cargo strap, inch by inch... it was really quite exciting.... at any second that thing could come loose and go straight though your brain.

Once it was stretched far enough... oooooh... that was the real fun part. Using a complex system of screw drivers, pliers, and swearwords, we let the vice grips go and "WHAM"!
Worked like a charm.

:D

jerkan 04-18-2004 05:53 PM

UFO sited recently above neighborhood garage where 2 individuals (aka porsche mechanic wannabees) observed a strange looking vessel shaped somewhat like a car seat traveling at Mach 16. More to follow!

Jim Smolka 04-18-2004 05:53 PM

Though I admire your efforts, you are working way too hard.

The trick is to install the clutch return spring and the bar onto the cluster while it is out of the car. With the allen bolt and the steel bar not installed, place the spring onto the back part of the cluster. Rotate the clutch pedal clockwise to alow the spring to go on to both groves. Then, rotate the pedal ccw until it is in position and the holes line up. Then, install the bar and allen bolt onto the cluster. Screw the allen bolt so that it is just snug, but still allows the bar to move.

Take the whole unit to the car and install. Connect the top part of the bar and then bolt the cluster to the floor. Afterwhich, tighten the allen bolt.

john walker's workshop 04-18-2004 06:03 PM

get a cheap brake spring tool for american cars at shucks. the one that's kind of S shaped with a cupped cutout on one end. cut it in half, or enough to clear the left wheel well when the cupped end is hooked over the rear knob that you want the spring to clip to. the hook on the spring is slipped over the shank of the tool, and when you pull it back, the spring slips down the shaft and over the knob.

on-ramp 04-18-2004 06:10 PM

it's always easy once you know the trick, isn't that always the case?

john walker's workshop 04-18-2004 06:13 PM

why yes it is.

DanS911 04-18-2004 06:19 PM

It also really helps to go "Hoyyyy Yaaaaaaaaa" just at the proper moment!

yelcab1 04-18-2004 06:23 PM

I understand and can visualize the JW method.
Damn if I know what the hell Jim Smolka is talking about !! Got to see it in pictures one of these days.

Leland Pate 04-18-2004 06:34 PM

Quote:

Though I admire your efforts, you are working way too hard. The trick is to install the spring and the bar while the unit is out of the car. Place the spring into position but the allen bolt off. Connect the spring and use the clutch pedal as a lever to rotate the spring into position. Then, install the bar and allen bolt onto the cluster. Screw the allen bolt so that it is just snug, but still allows the bar to move. Take the whole unit to the car and install. Connect the top part of the bar and then bolt the cluster to the floor. Afterwhich, tighten the allen bolt.
BLAST!!!!!!!!


...ok, didn't think of that. http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/blush.gif

vash 04-18-2004 06:38 PM

i used my craftsman drum brake tool as JW said. i viced the pedal cluster first and it only took a twist and pop. it went on. i love your over the top, uber engineering method too. that is badass.

eurocarrera 04-18-2004 08:17 PM

Brilliant - Kudo's to Chuck!

Leland Pate 04-18-2004 08:31 PM

We actually tried to cram washers in there... it didn't work too good.
Too funny... I thought I had invented the washer idea. :)


Well, this thread will go down in the anals of embarrassing threads.
Thanks a lot, Jim.
;)

nostatic 04-18-2004 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Leland Pate
Well, this thread will go down in the anals of embarrassing threads.

;)

now *that* would be painful...no wonder you had trouble with the spring...

I think you meant "annals" ;)

Leland Pate 04-18-2004 09:23 PM

Ok, I quit.

sammyg2 04-19-2004 10:09 AM

LOL, BTDT. I replaced mine last year and after about 1 minute of fighting I it I said no way and headed down to the the FLAPS and bought a brake spring hook. Still fought me a little, but after I made another custom tool for extra leverage it snapped right into place.
One of those "do I still have all my fingers?" kinds of jobs.
Funny thing is I didn't notice much difference with the spring in place as opposed to the broken one just going along for the ride.

EdT82SC 04-19-2004 10:16 AM

I did mine last year too, and I didn't need any special tools. I put the cluster in a bench vice, hooked up one end of the spring, used a screwdriver as a bar to stretch the spring over the place it goes on the pedal. Of course I fought it for a few minutes before I figured out how to do it this way, but once I had this idea I had the spring on in less then a minute.

mike f 04-19-2004 11:08 AM

The JW way is actually the method used by Porsche. In the factory manual they even have a schematic of how to make the spring tool yourself, but JW's method is essentially the same thing(but cheaper). If I can get to a scanner I'll try to post the pic.

Damomma 04-19-2004 03:15 PM

I'm a newby at this but I just rebuilt my 78 and 79 targa and the spring takes no effort to install just rotate the pedal over toward the seat hook the spring on and rotate it back while it is in the car. When the pedal is rotated over toward the seat the two pins are close enough to simply place the spring on its pins. On second thought maybe targas are different, I know the floor boards are.

DavidI 04-19-2004 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jim Smolka
Though I admire your efforts, you are working way too hard.

The trick is to install the clutch return spring and the bar onto the cluster while it is out of the car. With the allen bolt and the steel bar not installed, place the spring onto the back part of the cluster. Rotate the clutch pedal clockwise to alow the spring to go on to both groves. Then, rotate the pedal ccw until it is in position and the holes line up. Then, install the bar and allen bolt onto the cluster. Screw the allen bolt so that it is just snug, but still allows the bar to move.

Take the whole unit to the car and install. Connect the top part of the bar and then bolt the cluster to the floor. Afterwhich, tighten the allen bolt.

What Jim said. The spring was actually pretty easy this way.

Good job Lee. Ingenuity at its finest, David

Leland Pate 04-19-2004 04:05 PM

Good thing there are no potential employers on this board huh. :eek:


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