Hidden radar detectors...
 

Well I have been thinking about a hidden radar detector, kinda considering that signifigant of an investment....Now after getting a ticket down by Skyline drive in Virginia...I am convinced it is a necessity.Can anyone point me to a good quality hidden radar detector system...thanks,john

CAR&DRIVER plugged one in their December issue. Page 127. Passport 9500ci...
$pendy as all get out. $1600 before installation.

www.escortradar.com

I've also heard of hidden front and rear laser jammers... maybe there is a model that does both.

I had a couple of k40's that were built in. They were okay, but I like my Valentine 1 much better. I get a lot less false readings, and a much earlier warning than the k40's. I just miss the concealed factor, that was pretty nice.

It looks like the new Passport concealed is the hot stick right now.I like the hidden features as well as voice command and alerts.Its a larger inverstment,but also a one time cost.I am thinking early Christmas present...john

I have 2 cars with built in detectors which I like. I also have a car I cut out an opening in the top of the sun visor for the detector to sit in and placed the power wire under the windshield rubber trim. This is probably best as you can get a valentine, hidden, and no install cost.

am interested in laser jammer topologies..

Best,

Doyle

Note that this escort unit has what are called "laser shifter" thingamajobs, but the website doesn't say how they work...

I found a deal for it at a local audio shop.$895 plus $300 for install...Sounds like a good deal,but I am gonna check two more spots. john

www.Radardetector.net
http://www.radarbusters.com/

Out of visible sight may not be too effective. See below link for hidden radar detector detector; if a detector is "listening to the outside world" (turned on) it will likely be detected:


http://www.stalkerradar.com/spectreIV/redirect.html

I don't think you need to go THAT stealthy. It's not easy to spot unless you were looking for it. See here:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?t=171738&highlight=valentine+stealt h

Wouldn't be easier to go the speed limit?

:eek:


WTF? Bet you you thought just for a second I was serious!!! Muhahahahaaaa!!

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I think it was over on bimmerforums.com there was a thread or two...hidden laser jammer. In some states they are illegal... one discussion was hiding the control module between the seats. Can't be visible from either side of the car/etc.

They're illegal in Va. and the police here do use radar detector detectors, as Jim mentioned, to keep everyone honest. Years ago they'd confiscate the radar detector, don't know if they still do today.
These days the Skyline Drive is generally too crowded and has too many park rangers with radar. At the southern end is the Blue Ridge Parkway, the road and views are basically the same but the speed limit is 45 instead of 35. Of course with the leaves turning both roads will be crowded.

Since Radar is pretty well out of use in most areas of Canada....(they have Lidar....laser detection) why bother with a piece of gear that wont detect anything?
Bob

Radar is still used here. Ka instant on is still equipped in police cars (city and highway) as is in the photo radar trucks. Laser is used for manned traps. That's where a good laser jammer can come in.

If I have missed some thing there is a post that some one posted about a V1 and had the display unit in the tach , way cool.

The 9500ci is PERFECT. Absolutely love it. Doubt you found one for $895. They were released in May 08 for $1600 no deals. When it goes off its real. Is also stealth and supposedly cant be detected.

i have had a valentine for about 10 years. i have the remote display under the ash tray and have the unit itself on the rear deck lid under a baseball hat.

the unit itself is an odd shape and larger then passports or what have you. but it works wherever you put it.

Can't tell you how many times my V1 has saved my butt. If you have to hide it due to local laws, spend the money.

I even use it in my company issued car.

If there is such a thing as a Laser jammer....I'm sure the Military would like to know about it.
A Laser works on the reflection principle.....the beam hits the target and bounces back to the receiver...when the target is travelling towards the receiver....the frequency of the beam is raised slightly...when the target is moving away from the receiver...the frequency is lowered.
The diameter of the beam is about the same as a human hair.
If there is a way to stop the beam from being reflected by any part of the target...or...if the frequency of the beam could be changed....then you would have defeated the unit.
The problem is...detecting the frequency....and then modifying it..all takes time....something you dont have....it's all over in less than 1/1000 of a second!
Bob

This makes me really curious about what escort calls a "laser shifter"...what? Like a mirror flashing sunlight? Deflecting the beam so a cop doesn't get a reading back????

Me? Only drive a Ford Ranger 4.0 these days...capable of cruising 80 all day long, yet invisible to the boys in blue. So...Just using my V-1 and blending into the herd works. Haven't had a ticket for over a decade.

thanks for your input...

I've had a brand new radar detector for a while, is the top of the line creative technologies but beats me where I can fit it, it will work though glass or plastic but not steel. Most people mount them inside plastic bumpers, everywhere on my car is alloy/steel. Would love to get it working though as I just look at the throttle these days and I'm on the wrong side of the law.

I suggest looking into the links I posted.

As an Electronics Technologist, I have been in the civilian and military field for almost 45 years.
I started with tubes of all things....up to Klystrons!
We worked on several Radar and Laser ( Lidar) defeat systems for the military....and I can state in NO uncertain terms that an encoded-pulse-doppler system is not defeatable at this time under normal conditions.
The signal emmited by the Lidar unit is encoded digitally so that the received pulse MUST submit to a challenge by the receiver as to it's authenticity.
If the pulse being received by the sensor does not contain the encoded signal....now changed in frequency by the oncoming vehicle....it fires an alarm in some cases (to tell the cop it's being jammed) and then re-fires the transmitter with several pulses (each with a different encoded signal) to get the correct speed of the target.
Some units even splay out the beam at slightly varied angles to hit the vehicle at different places to get a better reading.
Remember....all this takes place at the speed of light.
Bob
PS....putting reflectors and diffusers on various parts of the car does not help.
Also transmitting a constant beam of energy wont do it either (no encoding)...and how do you know what freq the trans used?
You might be giving a nice wide variable to the receiver indicating a 200MPH difference!!....LOL

I don't think these laser jammers actually 'jam' the laser gun...but rather confuse it by bombarding it. That's what gives you a few seconds to slam on the brakes so the 5-0 can get your reading at the speed limit.

While I'm no laser expert and don't have a shark with a laser beam attached to its head, I've seen these things successfully jam numerous officers....

"gives you a few seconds"

unh uh

And the "old wives tales" linger longer than the person who started it....LOL
I'm not going to argue the question....everyone knows "someone" who has a way to defeat the police Radar or Laser system.
It used to be....stuff tin-foil inside youe hubcaps....or fly tinfoil from your antenna....and of course the really good one....spray something that costs $10 a can on the front of your car.
It's always an idea that on the face of it....sounds dumb...but the guy swears it works....his brother-in-law has never gotten a ticket....and he drives like Mario Andretti all the time.
Good luck with all the ideas....and please...have a good lawyer on speed dial.
Bob

I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince the 'old dawg experts' about new technology. It's always nice to try and assume that it's a friend of a friend who was the one who had this work (it usually helps refute the other party's claim so go with it). I don't think I ever mentioned how I saw this laser doohicky work (did I say I was behind the wheel or did I say I was a passenger....or did I say it was a story a buddy of a buddy told me while we were drinking)? Regardless of that, here's a few videos for your enjoyment. Of course, anything can be put on YouTube....so take it with a grain of salt. You never know if these videos were staged to purposely give the results they want you to see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOa1oqfgmow&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byzKtId7aGA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guAacDzeKlw&feature=related

I'll take my experience and evidence to formulate my own opinion and you can use your Electronics Technologist title to formulate yours.

Well, "I'm gonna get all [epitomological] on your ass."*

Your post directly raises the issue of how you know what you know. What is your level of "experience" and what is the quality of the "evidence"?

Unless you can run a full-blown scientifically valid experiment, you are left with expert opinion to rely on. Near the bottom, of this hierarchy is reliance on anecdotes. At or below, the bottom is wishful thinking.

The characteristics of light waves makes it very difficult for an electronic circuit to keep up - I do not see how the processing required can be done quickly enough. And that is what others told you. New technology does enable violation of physical law. Maybe, some new and novel method has enabled actions hitherto not considered -- if so, the onus is on the proponent to prove that.

Against that, we have the "evidence" of advertising by an obviously biased party - the seller.

Believe whatever you want.

* apologies to Quentin Tarantino

Jammers do work....Some way better than others.

http://www.guysoflidar.com/july-2008/laser-jammer-test.html

http://www.guysoflidar.com/laser-jammer-test-spring-2006/laser-jammer-tests1.html

Laser jammers....first hand experience on the effectiveness of such a contraption. How's that for wishful thinking? Now where is your evidence that it doesn't work? Dictionary need not apply. It's easy to run up Wikipedia to find definitions to try and contradict new products from behind a computer monitor. It's another thing to open our eyes and see if things work or don't work. Armchair skeptics....gotta love 'em.