1975 911 Slantnose??

[Girly TT]

It's a shot in the dark here, can anyone help me figure out what exactly this is? I've had it offered for us to buy it, but I'd like to know a bit more about what it is before I dive in head first.

It's a 1975 911, but it's got that slantnose/widebody on it... Everything on the car is in German, so, it's of no help to me.

If anyone can help me out, I'd appreciate it. The guy swears it's all original (widebody, not aftermarket). It's modified, and obviously been repainted (although I believe the color could be original...?)

I'm also interested in what this could be worth either in it's current condition, or with some basic resto.


The VIN is 9115300064. The owner died, and it's being sold through his estate.

Thanks,
Em

[drcoastline]

I'm no expert but I don't think a street version of the slant nose was not available from the factory in 1975 and most definitely not with side vents in the rear flare. I think they showed up about 1985 on street cars. The rear bumper extensions with the vent I think are after market. But man the wiring in that engine bay is a mess.

It's still pretty cool tho.

[Oh Haha]

It's a good looking car but I doubt that it is "original from the factory". Even aftermarket widebody conversions didn't start until after 1975.

The VIN will reveal the true identity of the car. It does have some nice bits in.on it so it might not be a bad deal if you can sort out any running issues.

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by Girly TT

The guy swears it's all original (widebody, not aftermarket).

All original, lol, that's what they all say.

If it is, then the builder had a time machine, since just about every part on that car wasn't even in existence yet in 1975.

[Jared at Pelican Parts]

the VIN number indicates that it is a 1975 911S.

It would not have come with the slantnose bodywork from the factory.

The engine has a 3.2L intake (1984-89) on it with what appears to be an aftermarket fuel injection/ignition setup (possibly twin plug) with what looks like nitrous oxide plumbing.

You would need more pictures of the itnerior, engine and underside to get a better idea of what has been done to it.

[Girly TT]

It has an upgraded turbo (with another, larger turbo in the passenger seat), as well as direct port nitrous, etc.

Story is, the guy who owned it, went to jail, and the son sold it quick to this old guy, who recently died, and now his son is selling this. We went there looking at buying about 8 3000GT VR4's and Stealth Twin Turbos, and he offered this to us as well, in a package deal with the other cars. We're trying to figure out if it's worth picking up or not. Any idea of what this car is worth A) in it's current condition (says it runs and drives, we'll verify that before we pick it up), and B) with basic repairs done to bring it up to snuff (not a full on resto... that's a little too much $$$ to spend for me).

Thanks for any help


Here's an album I put together with all of the pictures.

http://s34.photobucket.com/albums/d111/3Scar/11_22_10/

Also, any idea if there are sites around to decode the VIN?

[Rednine11]

not much original about it but I still like it. if the price was right I'd buy it if it were me

[KevinP73]

RUN!!!! RUN!!!! FAR and FAST

[Girly TT]

Originally Posted by Rednine11

not much original about it but I still like it. if the price was right I'd buy it if it were me

mechanically, it's obviously not original

Is there a guide to options available in each year?

[Techne]

Originally Posted by Girly TT

It has an upgraded turbo (with another, larger turbo in the passenger seat), as well as direct port nitrous, etc.

Story is, the guy who owned it, went to jail, and the son sold it quick to this old guy, who recently died, and now his son is selling this. We went there looking at buying about 8 3000GT VR4's and Stealth Twin Turbos, and he offered this to us as well, in a package deal with the other cars. We're trying to figure out if it's worth picking up or not. Any idea of what this car is worth A) in it's current condition (says it runs and drives, we'll verify that before we pick it up), and B) with basic repairs done to bring it up to snuff (not a full on resto... that's a little too much $$$ to spend for me).

Thanks for any help


Here's an album I put together with all of the pictures.

11_22_10 pictures by 3Scar - Photobucket

Also, any idea if there are sites around to decode the VIN?

Non-original with undocumented mods makes placing a value difficult. I would presume it is a 4 digit number, not 5.

[Girly TT]

Even with 16k miles?

[McLovin]

A guide to options available in '75 isn't going to help you. None of the stuff on that car will be in that guide. Very little of what is on that car (interior and exterior) was available in '75.

What's it worth? That engine is in scary looking condition, with some aftermarket turbo thrown on it, nitrous, unknown history and condition, etc.

On the other hand, it has some interesting parts. It has turbo brakes, and also what looks like genuine 9 inch Fuchs in the rear. The suspension/brakes/wheels are probably worth $3K if parted out.

It also has what looks like a nice factory 930S steering wheel from the late 80s. Probably worth $300 or so if in great shape (total guess on that one).

The seats are later model sport seats, which are nice (not original to the car, but nice). In good shape, probably worth $800-$1000.

But condition of the engine and other mechanicals? Tough to put a value without knowing it.

I'd say the car would sell for $6-9K as it sits, if the body is done in steel. If in fiberglass, it's only a parts car.

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by Girly TT

Even with 16k miles?

Nobody is going to believe that. The speedo has obviously been cracked open during its lifetime, and may not even be original to the car. This is a "true mileage unknown" car.

[Girly TT]

Originally Posted by McLovin

A guide to options available in '75 isn't going to help you. None of the stuff on that car will be in that guide. Very little of what is on that car (interior and exterior) was available in '75.

What's it worth? That engine is in scary looking condition, with some aftermarket turbo thrown on it, nitrous, unknown history and condition, etc.

On the other hand, it has some interesting parts. It has turbo brakes, and also what looks like genuine 9 inch Fuchs in the rear. The suspension/brakes/wheels are probably worth $3K if parted out.

It also has what looks like a nice factory 930S steering wheel from the late 80s. Probably worth $300 or so if in great shape (total guess on that one).

The seats are later model sport seats, which are nice (not original to the car, but nice). In good shape, probably worth $800-$1000.

But condition of the engine and other mechanicals? Tough to put a value without knowing it.

I'd say the car would sell for $6-9K as it sits, if the body is done in steel. If in fiberglass, it's only a parts car.

This is the kind of answer(s) I was looking for Thank you.

Is there anything else you can pick out about the car? I appreciate it.

[911Freak]

1st off the mileage on the odometer means nothing, don't be fooled, I'm pretty sure those aren't original 1975 911S gauges so it's just a number.

2nd this is a clapped out older slant nose conversion, that's all, the kid who had it probably thrashed the snot out of it. Steer clear unless you have a lot of time to tear it apart and sell parts otherwise it looks like a can of worms, sorry.

If it were me and I could buy it for under 7k I'd part it out and go buy are unmolested original 911 without a "story", to much done to this one...

Lots of good advice mentioned above... BBW!

[Girly TT]

We're buying 6 other cars from the guy, and he threw a number out at us for this. My boyfriend went ga-ga over the car, so, I figured I'd look into it a bit before doling out the money.

It doesn't seem to be worth near what he's asking for it, and I guess as you say there's no way to verify the mileage, since, I can't even run a carfax history report on it (check for registration odometer reportings, etc).

I guess we'll probably pass on it then, as cool as it is, we already have a handful of project cars, we don't need another one.

[Oh Haha]

Where do you guys see a turbo on that engine? I don't even see a connection leading down to the engine tin.

[kycarguy 935]

The guage faces are aftermarket so the mileage showing shouldn't be trusted.

The first factory slantnose was built in 1980.

It could be a factory slantnose front end. The headlight mechanisms look factory.

The car does have some good parts on it including the sport seats, and brakes that somebody else mentioned.

I would buy the steering wheel from you for $250 if you get the car and want to sell it.

If you don't buy the car let somebody on here know about it, unless they want way too much for it.

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by Girly TT

This is the kind of answer(s) I was looking for Thank you.

Is there anything else you can pick out about the car? I appreciate it.

I don't disagree with 911Freak's assessment, above. For buying the car "as it sits" I would have to assume the engine is dead or otherwise unuseable. An aftermarket turbo and nitrous'd engine with no history just isn't going to get a lot of interest. I'd have to factor in the cost of putting in a used 3.2, which will probably run $6K.

If the car could be made to look presentable inside and out, and had a good running 3.2, and is done in all steel bodywork, it's probably a $12-15K car. At the end of the day, it is just a modified '75 and that is of somewhat limited value.

It's a little bit of a mixed bag, at least from the pictures. In some ways, it looks like big money was spent on it. For example, the brakes and wheels are big $$ for sure, that many people don't spend when they modify a car like this. The bodywork looks like it was done well, although at some point it looks like it had a relatively cheap paint job slapped on (lots of visible overspray on parts).

On the other hand, it has some really shoddy looking work, like the engine wiring, the stereo wiring up front, etc.

Personally, I wouldn't buy the car to "fix up." It's too much risk, given the unknown condition, and the upside is too limited. This is not like a '73S, where if fixed up can be worth $60K+. The only way to ever make this car worth even $20K would be to put $30K+ of time and money into it.

It does have a few tasty parts, like the wheels, brakes and seats. The front spoiler, fenders, rear wing could be parted, and other slantnose parts, esp. if factory parts were used (which looks possible from the pics). Me, personally, I wouldn't pay more than $3K as a parts car.

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by Oh Haha

Where do you guys see a turbo on that engine? I don't even see a connection leading down to the engine tin.

in the engine pic above, you can see the connection coming through the engine tin on the lower left hand corner. The round orange seal.