Funny how nobody trash talks the 2.7 anymore

[Puma]

Originally Posted by bcgreen

I understand the MFIs are tough to tune and best left to the professionals. I hope I never need anything done to my MFI while I own it.
How did you learn to tune the MFI?

Check out MFI.com, somebody wrote a book about tuning them. I've never done it.

I know a factory trained MFI specialist who has an entire wall of tools and diagnostic equipment specifically for MFI so I wonder if the investment of tools is worth it?

As for the 2.7, I've got one in pieces and I regularly oscillate between putting a 912 engine back in my car or building up the 2.7. I've never driven a 912 or a 2.7 so I've no idea what it's like. I have a long way to go with my restoration so there's lots of time.

[cknoll77]

I bought my '77 911S in 1995 when I was 18. I definitely wouldn't have been able to afford a 911 at 18 if the mid year 2.7s weren't so hated in the 90's. The previous owner backdated the exhaust, put in an 11 blade fan and pressure fed chain tensionsers, so there have been a few mods. But other than that, 22 years later I have a numbers matching, original paint and interior 911 that I thoroughly enjoy driving on the weekends.

I just started taking her to some local car shows this summer, and I have to say I felt a little out of place in a car that, only a few years ago, I was constantly defending saying things like; "yeah it's a mid year 2.7, but it's has the appropriate updates, it's still fun to drive, and it was the one I could afford when I was 18, so who cares". Also, the color definitely added to the car's "less desirable"

[cknoll77]

Sorry, I meant to upload a picture along with post...

[Ferraripete]

at this point, all 2.7's have been converted to dilivar hardware

nothin left to talk about other than being free reving and great sounding))

[95mpower]

I have a 2.7 In my 76! But luckily mine was not a California spec car and did not come with thermal reactors. Currently my motor is pulled, replacing all the oil seals and new heatexhangers and exhaust. But it was running great before I pulled it.

[Kraftwerk]

Its always been my understanding that nicely re-build 2.7 should have better throttle response than the 3.0 or 3.2 and can seem really peppy.

[Jack Stands]

Hopefully the 2.7 engines th had Dilivar studs have been upgraded to the Supertec or other studs that don't suddenly snap and have had case savers installed. Wonderful engines when properly built, though not as bulletproof as the 3.0. None of these engines are cheap to rebuild these days!

[dicklague]

I bought my 1973 2.7 MFI 911 from TRE in 1999.
Dave told me that Mark Kininger at Black forest in San Diego had redone the engine and it had 1500 miles on it. It has 5R cases and all the tricks done to it. Well I have been driving it for 19 years.....change the oil every 3000 miles, adjust valves at 10,000 and got the MFI set up will.

I have driven it almost 120,000 miles. No problems. Great compression and just runs well. Wonderful sounding engine that just pulls.

Daytona-Sensors CDI with Hall effect points. AFR gauge Daytona-Sensors permanently installed with warm up regulator manual adjustment.

Sweet running motor. Fuel economy is not great with the MFI, but it hauls!!!!

Thank you Mark for building a great engine that is till going strong after 20 years an 120,000 miles.

[Nick Triesch]

It all changed with the super high price increases of air cooled cars. I still have my respected 911 buyers guides of 20-30 years that say stay away from the mid years at all cost! They said they were horrible and that the motors when new would go bad at 50,000! The only reason they are selling more now is because of the air cooled huge jump in price. Same with the 912e. A super slow car with less than 100 horses. A real dog that looks nice.

[shaunmbenson]

I am in a rare camp, it seems.

I, in order of G body preference, go 3.2, 3.0, 2.7 all day long - I've driven many stock and tuned examples of each.

I get that they rev up a little quicker but there is no way a 2.7 0-60 in 8.4 seconds car is gonna 'feel' better to me than my 3.2 (chipped) that I can personally do 5.9 on a country road in. Esp with a set up. Oh - and mine's a targa and still, despite the obvious creaking, feels better than the 2.7s I've driven - in good nick btw

I don't have the fastest car out there and we all have to choose our own feel vs speed sweet spot - but even after driving a 3.0 with the 964 cams and SSIs etc - I was underwhelmed on the back roads compared to my almost stock 3.2. and that was a lightened coupe! It's also why driving perfect tune longhood 911T is ok but not near the joy of a 3.2.

YMMV

Oh - for all that - a narrow G body roller with lightweight everything and 3.2SS -- YES PLEASE - best of ALL worlds - and I also want a 912 next - but that's because a 2.7 is to -- what's the word - middie - neither her nor there. I have WAY more fun in 912 than 2.7 middie

[bcgreen]

Originally Posted by Nick Triesch

It all changed with the super high price increases of air cooled cars. I still have my respected 911 buyers guides of 20-30 years that say stay away from the mid years at all cost! They said they were horrible and that the motors when new would go bad at 50,000! The only reason they are selling more now is because of the air cooled huge jump in price. Same with the 912e. A super slow car with less than 100 horses. A real dog that looks nice.

I disagree. My '76 has been absolutely rock solid and pulls strongly, wailing all the way to 7200.
103,000 and loving it every time I start it up. You can hear me on a Sunday morning a city block away.