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mzavada 03-27-2015 06:48 PM

Ignition Coil Recommendation/Help
 
I've searched around the forum, and need some help or recommendations on which coil I should go with.

Working on a tune up on my 81 SC: plugs/wires/cap/rotor, etc.

Currently have stock ignition setup, however would consider upgrading in the future.

That being said, can/should I go with something like a Flamethrower or MSD with my stock setup for now, with upgrading in mind?

Looking for help understanding pros/cons.

Thanks!

Bob Kontak 03-27-2015 07:06 PM

They are pretty basic coils. I have an MSD Blaster coil that is 12 years old but I do have the MSD box.

Set your plugs at factory gap. If you do upgrade to MSD/Permatune/other, don't go nuts on the gap even though they say 60 thousandths is do-able.

Lots to read if you search.

You want your car to run smoother? Replace the Lambda box relay under the passenger seat. That 1 inch cube thingie attached to the silver box. Get the Porsche / Bosch one. It's pushing 35 years old.

timmy2 03-27-2015 07:23 PM

MSD blaster II high vibration coil is what I have been running for 3 years with stock CDI box.

emcon5 03-27-2015 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmy2 (Post 8550756)
MSD blaster II high vibration coil is what I have been running for 3 years with stock CDI box.

Been running a pair of them for about 8 years now. Direct replacement for the Bosch coil, and while not an "upgrade" they are a lot more reliable than the current crappy made-in-Brazil Bosch coil.

wwest 03-27-2015 10:55 PM

CDI systems should use a transformer type coil not the old style inductive type.

Simple and inexpensive upgrade.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1427525598.jpg

frosty2 03-28-2015 06:07 AM

Hi wwest been thinking of upgrading my coil just to see if mine is getting tired its the original would this be a good upgrade for my 73t with the 2.4 and the 3 pin cdi box
And if so any idea of part number and we're to purchase.

Thanks
Mike

wwest 03-28-2015 08:02 AM

Coils don't get "tired" but if you looking for an excuse to spend some pocket change you could make a worse choice.

CDI systems can always benefit from use of the proper coil.

emcon5 03-28-2015 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwest (Post 8551150)
Coils don't get "tired" but if you looking for an excuse to spend some pocket change you could make a worse choice.

CDI systems can always benefit from use of the proper coil.

My original Bosch coil was pretty tired when the black stuff was oozing out of it.

The advantage of the MSD Blaster over that Accel Coil is mounting. The HD blaster fits in the factory location, and if you take the label off, looks like a Bosch black coil.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1427560072.jpg

frosty2 03-28-2015 10:27 AM

Thanks, with either the MSD blaster or the ACCEL coil do you have to make any other changes or simply remove the old and replace with the new. Another reason for changing is to have a spare.

Thanks
Mike

tirwin 03-28-2015 12:59 PM

MSD is plug and play. With the Accel coil you will have to modify your mount somehow. The MSD coil is slightly taller than the Bosch so you may need to push it further down in the mount, particularly if you have an A/C condenser.

I think wwest used the Accel as an example. Normally you have a + and - ring terminal on the coil going to the CDI. I don't see how that would connect based on that picture. Not saying it couldn't work but it would require some investigation as to what would be necessary to make it work. Consider that if you wanted to leave it in the stock location you would likely need to mount it on it's side OR you would need to mount it near the fuse panel/CDI which would mean you would need to lengthen the wires.

mzavada 03-28-2015 03:57 PM

Thanks for all the recommendations. I was already leaning toward an MSD, however it looks like thats what'll I'll be adding to the shopping cart right away.

frosty2 03-28-2015 05:17 PM

Thanks tirwin looks like the MSD is the better choice for my application when wanting to use my old as a spare

Charles Freeborn 03-29-2015 04:33 PM

Did the Blaster upgrade too, as my original had a jb weld repair to one post , and it was oozing goo allover my distributor.
If you use it with a Bosch CDI be sure to get the one with the ballast resistor.
-C

RSTarga 03-29-2015 04:37 PM

partsklassic has a new kit that looks just like the original but with newer better comonents and looks stock. They have coils too.

wwest 03-29-2015 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles Freeborn (Post 8552825)
Did the Blaster upgrade too, as my original had a jb weld repair to one post , and it was oozing goo allover my distributor.
If you use it with a Bosch CDI be sure to get the one with the ballast resistor.
-C

Ignition coil, ballast resistor? CDI, not Kettering?

Please explain.. :confused:

dicklague 03-29-2015 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RSTarga (Post 8552828)
partsklassic has a new kit that looks just like the original but with newer better comonents and looks stock. They have coils too.

+++++on that. Their ignition stuff looks great! The CDI box is awesome and looks OE.

mysocal911 03-29-2015 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dicklague (Post 8553110)
+++++on that. Their ignition stuff looks great! The CDI box is awesome and looks OE.

Appears to be a PermaTune in an aluminum Bosch type casting with a potting
compound. Bosch CDI is a magnesium casting.

timmy2 03-29-2015 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dicklague (Post 8553110)
+++++on that. Their ignition stuff looks great! The CDI box is awesome and looks OE.

I was looking at their stuff and their 6 Pin CDI Harness won't work well without modification on '78 and later cars as they didn't provide for the Safety switch wire that runs from the back of the Air flow switch, through the main harness and then through the CDI branch to come out with the red switched power wire at the white T connector.

You would need to take it all apart to install that wire. You have to take a section of the main harness apart to install the tach wire in the 14 pin connector. You would need to take theirs apart to install the safety switch wire.
Or, run without the pump cut out.

I let them know about the missing wire in their harness. (wiring color codes and wire type don't match either)

porschetub 03-29-2015 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmy2 (Post 8553201)
I was looking at their stuff and their 6 Pin CDI Harness won't work well without modification on '78 and later cars as they didn't provide for the Safety switch wire that runs from the back of the Air flow switch, through the main harness and then through the CDI branch to come out with the red switched power wire at the white T connector.

You would need to take it all apart to install that wire. You have to take a section of the main harness apart to install the tach wire in the 14 pin connector. You would need to take theirs apart to install the safety switch wire.
Or, run without the pump cut out.

I let them know about the missing wire in their harness. (wiring color codes and wire type don't match either)

read this reply from someone that really knows,cheers.

Charles Freeborn 03-30-2015 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwest (Post 8552913)
Ignition coil, ballast resistor? CDI, not Kettering?

Please explain.. :confused:

When using the Blaster Coil with the stock Bosch CDI you'll need to put a .08 ohm (included in the proper coil kit) in line. If you switch to a MSD unit the resistor can come out. I've got a MSD on the shelf just waiting for me to install when I've got the time to do a few other things "while I'm in there".
I'll snap a photo today and post.
-C


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