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I would like to replace the 009 on my Webered 2.0 with something more like the 1.8 unit, however these seem difficult to get hold of or very expensive.

I have heard of adjustable units - Mallory?

Does anyone know anything about these?

- Alex
- 73 2.0 Tangerine

I have a 2.0l dist with vacumn advance I'll sell to you. I've been told that it works well and so does the Bosch 050.

I know this doesn't answer your question but from what I've heard these are the best 2 options for a carbed car.

Go to your local Kragen/Checker store. Rebuilt 914 dizzys from A1 Cardone are less than $100, including core charge.

Brad Anders

About 2 months ago I replaced my 009 with the stock distributor. My car is a 74 2.0 with 96mm P&C's, cam, pertronix, and 40 IDF's. Work was done by the PO who also added the 009, but gave me the original distributor when I bought the car. My carbs have a vacuum port, a small diameter brass tube (just at the level of the idle adjustment screw) with a small slotted plug. I understand most Weber carbs have this connection point. Connected the Vac advance canister to the port after I removed the plug. Performance is significantly improved over the 009. Starts easier and accelerates more smoothly in the low and mid RPM ranges.
Pelican and various other 914 BBS's have spoken disparagingly of the 009 for the Type 4 engines, and I now agree. The consensus is that any year stock 914 distributor will give better results than the 009, particularly if you can hook up the Vac advance.

Good luck,
Harvey

As Brad said... local autoparts store can get you a rebuit unit for $60 - $75 last time I checked.

I highly recommend the Bosch 050 dizzy. It is available from Cb performance www.cbperformance.com for around $60.
I also highly recommend you call Pelican first to see if they have them first. Like alott of things, Pelican has or can get many products that may not be in the online catalog. If they have it, cool. If they don't, they can get it or at least will tell you where to find it.
So many times I hear about people looking for a part and assume it is not availalbe from Pelican just because it is not on the website, and end up going to AA, ugh.
(shameless plug, hi Wayne and Don:-)


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Gerald Gore II (Sam)
73 914 350 small block

There you have it. The 009 shouldn't be used with the 914 engine. It doesn't have the correct amount of advance for the engine. It will actually cause you to lose power over the stock dizzy in the mid range. Go back to the stock dizzy or get the Bosch 050 dizzy. THe 050 does have the correct advance curve to fit the 914.

So does this apply to the F.I. users out there?

I have the 009 on my 1.8L and if the 050 is the way to go the I'll give it a shot.

Thanks

No - FI users should use the dizzy that is specified for your car. The 050 has no vacuum advance and a different mechanical advance curve than the FI dizzy.

Most likely, you are mistaking the "009" mechanical advance distributor (Bosch part number 0 231 178 009) for your 1.8's FI distributor, which has the Bosch number 0 231 181 009 - this is not the same dizzy, it's confusing, I know. Even worse, the dizzy for the 2.0L D-Jet 1973's is a 0 231 174 009, so there are three 009 dizzy's!!! The "009" mechanical advance dizzy is commonly sold at Bug shops and has a limited advance curve, designed for constant speed applications (non-automotive).

Brad Anders



[This message has been edited by pbanders (edited 06-22-2001).]

Thanks!!
I didn't know more then one "009" dizzy was used on the 914's. That's good to know.

Thanks.

The 009 is probably the worst distributor that we have found..

For FI we always stay Vacuum..

For carbs, I like an 050, it really broadens the torque curve.

Don't forget the very venerable 205AA dizzy. This is the vacuum advance dizzy that came on the 1.8L 914s. It works great (even better than the 050) and because of the vacuum advance, you get good, smooth accelleration when you stomp it. For some reason folks (like me) get rid of these in favor of 009s or 050s, until they (like me) learn what a great dizzy this is.

Also see my tech article (with photos) on setting timing with carbs on the Pelican tech pages.

Also remember this is only for carb applications. FI has to stay with the trigger points dizzy.

The 1.8 FI does not use separate "trigger points" for the FI. So the 1.8s can use just about any distributor they like--though the stock 1.8 ones are the best for this application anyway. I do know some people who were running crappy 009s on L-jet FI'd 1.8 motors. They ran, just not as well as they could have.

--DD

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Pelican Parts 914 Tech Support

A few pics of my car: http://www.pelicanparts.com/gallery/Dave_Darling

The Mallory is a very nice distributor.
pros:

• dual point or electronic
• mechanical or mechanical with vacuum advance
• complete line of service parts for rebuilding or curve tuning
• large diameter cap to reduce chance of cross fire with high engery ignition systems
• adjustable total advance
• high quality construction

cons:

• high cost
• must have comprehensive understanding of ignition timing to properly fine tune the timiming curve
• tight fit on a type IV
• parts are usually limited to speed shops and mail order

options:
2354101 dual point
2454101 dual point with tack drive
2754101 dual point with vacuum advance
4554101 unilite
4654101 unilite with tack drive
4754101 unilite with vacuum advance

www.mrgasket.com/mal.htm

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Chris
75 914 2.0L

[This message has been edited by roadtrp204 (edited 06-25-2001).]

So now I am confused...??

What is the best dizzy for a 1.8L L-jet with a big bore kit?

The last 3 dig's are 009 on the one I have.

"Best" is always a tricky concept. The distributor that is the easiest to set up to give your engine as reasonable a performance as it will get is the stock 1.8 one.

See Brad's post for a discussion of part numbers on the distributors.

--DD

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Pelican Parts 914 Tech Support

A few pics of my car: http://www.pelicanparts.com/gallery/Dave_Darling