Was somebody looking for an original 6?

Paul_Heery · Paul_Heery's Garage

It must be 914-6 season on eBay. The seller rates it as "Beautiful/excellent/95pts+".

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1851614353

JWest · 08-15-2002, 05:34 AM

Maybe he could get those missing five points if he put the hubcaps on...

kellzey · 08-15-2002, 05:36 AM

Original 2.2L T engine?

Maybe that's where the -5 points came. Didn't all original sizes have a 2.0L T engine?

Maybe a case of another guy who is overclaiming his "perfect" "rust-free" "all-original" car.

Looks nice though.

campbellcj · 06:15 AM

There's another one on ebay right now that the seller describes as in "concourse" (sic) condition; although it has a 2.7CIS engine and other non-original items.

Another thing that bugs me is so many of these listings include a handful of token outside shots, taken from a distance with a $50 digicam, but they rarely include engine, suspension/chassis, or 'rust area' close-up shots. Digital pics are free! Unless you are trying to hide something, there is no reason not to snap away and make dozens of detailed pics available to a prospective long-distance buyer.

red-beard · red-beard's Garage

Missing the spare tire. Steering wheel is different. Antenna is on the passenger side. No Badge (Actually, that is Original!). Front bumper rubber is a bit dented.

He has car 886 off the line and his wheels were made in 3/70. Uhh, no. I have #378 and it was produced in September 69. 886 has to have been built in 69 as well.

Anyway, it is a very nice looking car, with his low res JPGs.

It definitely needs a set of Fuchs or Gas Burners.

James

JWest · 08-15-2002, 06:31 AM

I pointed out the hubcaps because it seemed so stupid to try to sell the car with such a simple addition missing (and claim how original it is).

But more accurately, would a car with the wrong engine, wrong rear bumper, bad front bumper top, wrong steering wheel, no hubcaps, and whatever else we can't see - really score a 95+ at a concours? He thinks it might but did it really?

Maybe he meant to say that it was 95% percent complete!

red-beard · red-beard's Garage

My point exactly. His restoration looks good, but it is not concours.

I am not meaning to rag on his 914/6. It looks very very nice. I would never call mine concours, unless it was. Which it ain't. I'm just happy I figured out how to get the hood and the doors to fit properly! Next: Windshield wipers and changing the interior fuel lines to Stainless!

And he really would get quite a bit more for the car, if he picked up a decent set of 14 or 15 inch fuchs.

James

norustscott · norustscott's Garage

His point about the RESTORATION is insulting...as red beard noted the front top bumper rubber trim is either rusted and starting to wrinkle or, and in my opinion, dented from a front ender... Check the open front picture and look at the weather strip channel that aligns with the bad bumper ruber...NO ENGINE PICTURES!!!dumbass, the only thing that differentiates this car from a 4500 four...

I am almost positive of the front end damage...It as those slight hood scoops above eaach headlight bucket.

Hood sprung...latch/body slightly pushed in. I spent hours/hours/hours trying to get this stuf to fit right.

The bright side. Somebody will buy it and RESTORE it.

boxstr · 08-15-2002, 09:19 PM

Nice looking car, kind of refreshing to see those steel wheels. Although I wouldn't do anything but Fuchs, it is a nice looking car, that I'm not going to bid on.
Craig C. Laughlin CAMP 914

Kevin Powers · 08-15-2002, 09:29 PM

everybody needs two craig.

kevin

boxstr · 08-15-2002, 10:14 PM

Actually I do have two, the 74 black 6 and 75 1.8 yellow car. Plus a 75 five lug roller and a 71 1.8 for sale.
Craig C. Laughlin CAMP 914

derek_sf · 08-16-2002, 12:12 PM

well since both of those cars are FAR nicer than mine I don't see any basis to criticize. sure, maybe some peoples ideas of mint are different than others, that's life. I know I'd take either of those 6's!

rich · rich's Garage

Everyone has a different idea of the extent of work required to complete a true restoration. (quote from the ad)"and I do mean restoration" a fully restored car would have a rusted bummer pad. The photo's displayed are not very clear on my old Think Pad but that sure jumps out there.

sleepdoc · 08-19-2002, 10:37 PM

Doesn't it bother those who frequent and use EbAY that this is a
"private auction"? Who is to say if the seller has placed all the bids? I like to see who are the really serious bidders, and what they have purchased before. I don't think this is likely to bring this guy the highest price especially in the face of the lousy presentation.

besy Mark

campbellcj · 08-19-2002, 11:10 PM

I would venture a guess that a true, national event level concours restoration on a 914-6 is easily in the $40-60K range these days. Could be more.

Otto told me once what he spent restoring the 914-6 he won the PCA National Parade concours with many years ago. It was a staggering number...and he did almost all the work himself, and got almost all of the parts at cost/wholesale.

That assumes you are starting with a reasonably complete and correct car to begin with.

A full restoration to me means that every part, no matter how small (i.e. every nut and bolt included) is essentially indistinguishable from new. Or better.

Few of us have even seen 914's in that kind of condition. There was one at the PCA-SBR concours a couple years ago. It was the green -6 car that was written up in Excellence (or maybe Pano). Unbelievable. It still had the original inspection marks and paper stickers on the underside (trans etc). IIRC it won at least its group at the event, maybe overall, with an almost perfect score.

This is the only lame pic I got of the car that day:

JWest · 08-20-2002, 06:41 AM

My point was not to pick apart the car for the sake of it, but to dispute the statement that this is a 95+ point concours car. If he did not put that statement, then I would be praising the car as pretty nice looking.

rich · rich's Garage

Maybe I'm dim, but I didn't sense anyone doing that. If the ad listed the car as nice drivable 6 cylinder car with a few mods I think the guy would appear much more honest. But It doesn't state that. There are thinks in the poor photo display that just jump out at you.

norustscott · norustscott's Garage

to quote Homer Simpson..."DAMN EBAY"

JWest · 08-21-2002, 07:12 AM

Quote:

If the ad listed the car as nice drivable 6 cylinder car with a few mods I think the guy would appear much more honest.

Yeah, THAT'S what I was trying to say...

krk · 08-21-2002, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by campbellcj
There's another one on ebay right now that the seller describes as in "concourse" (sic) condition; although it has a 2.7CIS engine and other non-original items.

Another thing that bugs me is so many of these listings include a handful of token outside shots, taken from a distance with a $50 digicam, but they rarely include engine, suspension/chassis, or 'rust area' close-up shots. Digital pics are free! Unless you are trying to hide something, there is no reason not to snap away and make dozens of detailed pics available to a prospective long-distance buyer.

I can add a data point here. The yellow one was a bay area car upto about 18 mths ago. I looked at it when I was looking for my /6. The car is in very nice condition. I was nervous about the 2.7 and the price was out of my range. He's had Patricks do quite a bit of work since then.

I definitely agree on the digital pics. Each car I looked at, I snapped 20 or 30 pics of all kinds of stuff usually at good resolution. When you get home, you can blow them up/etc, or just use them for comparison. Heck, I photo my own car 'cause the camera sees more detail than my eyes do. (It's also easier to remember how to put it back together if you have pictures

kim.