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Rpaillet 12-06-2018 08:52 PM

NA tune and MSD 6A work together?
 
I acquired a 944 NA tune kit and did the installation tonight. The car starts but struggles to rev or hold an idle. Car ran fine before with a steady idle. Checked for vacuum leaks but didn't find anything wrong.

My question is, will the MSD unit work with the MAF?
Thanks
Bob

v2rocket_aka944 12-07-2018 08:01 AM

ditch the MSD...no need for it at all

after installing NA tune you will need to adjust your throttle bypass screw (maybe even the throttle stop) as the MAF lets a lot more air to the engine than the AFM did...you might be running lean with "AFM settings"

Rpaillet 12-07-2018 08:44 AM

Thanks for the reply. I'll give it a try and report back.

Rpaillet 12-07-2018 10:50 AM

Ok, removed the MSD, restored the original coil wiring (black to +, green to -). Engine cranks and tries to fire then stalls. Acts like the AFM connect isn't plugged in. Throttle input doesn't change anything. Any suggestions? I have another good DME, so I don't have to remove the chip, thinking about removing everything to make sure all is good stock without the MSD again.

Dean924s 12-07-2018 12:58 PM

The MSD you are talking about is the Multi Spark units yes? What "kit" are you talking about and what inexactly is in the kit?

djnolan 12-07-2018 03:37 PM

Is the MAF wire (red) connected to coil black?

onZedge 12-07-2018 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djnolan (Post 10276492)
Is the MAF wire (red) connected to coil black?

Yes - what djnolan said above. This is likely how the NA Tune will act if you did not connect the red wire to switched ignition (15 circuit - black coil wire), or connected wrong (green coil wire) and damaged it.

To answer your original question: Yes. I am using the NA Tune with 4* cam advance key, Digital MSD 6A, and Brisk Racing EVO spark plugs, late tubular 2.5L NA Y headers (versus cast iron to save weight) and original Y collector with original 2-1/4"-ish exhaust. Had to add four pins and a jumper to the DME to accept the NA Tune chip board. Have all been working happily together, and with zero issues, for about a year now. Smooth with a lot more low end grunt and more power at all RPMs. I'm very happy with this setup.

I need to go up to the 2-1/2" Lindsey exhaust (after the collector), clean or replace the fuel injectors, and install the Innovate Fuel/Air Meter and WB Sensor (in a second bung I added) to finalize it. Always something else to do...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1544230298.jpg

"Dirty" picture - photo after I changed out the head gasket (and a whole bunch of WYIT items) but before detailing.

onZedge 12-07-2018 04:58 PM

Oh, and make sure the white male harness connector pins didn't get pushed out when plugging into the factory 5 pin female connector.

Rpaillet 12-07-2018 05:17 PM

When I took out the MSD and rewired the coil I got the green and black wires switched. After a couple of tries to start the car, I got out the diagrams and found the problem. Red wire was only on the positive terminal but it must have taken out something. My bad. I guess I'll call Lindsey and see if they can help me. Bummer...hope it can be repaired.

Rpaillet 12-11-2018 04:38 PM

Ok, I replaced the sensor and all is well. Dave at Lindsey was very helpful. He told me the sensor was used in 2005 Mustangs and I got one locally. Plugged it in and she fired right up.

I have to say, this has made a world of difference in how the car performs, way better throttle response and pulls like a new car (205K on stock engine). Kicking myself for waiting so long. The NA-Tune is the real deal folks. Cam key next belt change. Also, very easy to install once I got rid of the MSD ignition. Thanks for the help.....Bob

onZedge 12-11-2018 05:13 PM

Follow-up in case somebody else comes across this thread:

The MSD 6A/6AL puts about 530V on the coil primary, so you can't use the coil connection for the N/A Tune red wire. You have to find a switched ignition wire elsewhere (circuit 15; typically a black wire). I used a piggyback faston connector on the G3 spade connection on the back of the fuse/relay box (924S).

Mr. Squid 12-12-2018 11:57 AM

Glad it worked out for you.

Happy Motoring!


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