What would you choose? (obin/pilot? others?)

[1.2gees]

I'm just wondering, if given the choice would you like to have an above avarage 944 NA, and a 944 turbo, but only a few grand to spend,

--OR--

The same 944 NA, and a 550 spyder, about 1k to spend,

--OR--

A 968, and a good 5-6k to spend?

How'bout another suggestion?

I want to have a track/auto-x car that's at least a bit competitive... The second car doesn't matter much, and I love the 968s looks, feel, and that 6 speed!

(Never ending talks with the parents, leaning towards the two 944s but can't decide)

Thanks
Ahmet

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[Obin Robinson]

Spyders are the coolest deathtrap in the world!!! I want one but i don't want to end up like James Dean. i think if you get one with a 356 engine then that is better than the 4-cam which costs $20k to rebuild.

944 turbos are monsters!!!!! that is the direction i wouldlean in. that is the next car i am goingto get.

968? i love 968s, but they aren't "sleepers" like 944 turbos.

hard decision. i think the tough thing to ask is if you're willing to tke care of 2 porsches intead of 1? take it from me... 1 was much cheaper but 2 is MORE fun!

obin

[1.2gees]

OK, here's what I'm thinking:

Keep the 944, strip it off the power steering accessories, and air conditioning, MAYBE interior pieces as well. The car's already an almost no options car, save for hte power sunroof.

Then I'd get about $7k, and insurance covered by the parents, as well as the occasional help if something goes wrong. This would be fun, as I'd get to drive a car I enjoy driving, both to and from the track (as well as on!) AND to the movies/the mall!

This would also give me time to work, and save more money, and that seems to be the wisest choice, as I most certainly would loose money by selling the 944 these days when they're not worth that much money...
Ahmet

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[85944na]

I think your headed in the right direction.

[1.2gees]

Well, I've been offered to part a few cars at a private storage space, and handle inspecting parts, the actual stripping etc. with access to tools, and web space to advertise/handle orders at. I get 50% of everything we make. 50% isn't too much, but considering all I'd put in this would be some time, and can work whenever I want (holidays, snow days?). I have full opportunity to tune my car as I go along, at a nice little climate controlled place, and can most certainly afford a bore/polish kit, and not having to worry about driving a car for another 8 months or so, I'd have a lot of time to modify my own car...

I don't know how high demand would be, but if we can cover at least expenses, then I'll probably afford modifying my own car a bit more, and hopefully add to my experiance with these cars, should be a nice summer project right before I go to college.

I'll start working on a web page tomorrow.

What do you guys think, I'm sure I could handle some exchanges, buying used parts, selling used/rebuilt parts...

Well, wish me luck!
Ahmet

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[1.2gees]

Cool, I'll let you know if we need help,
thanks for the offer,
Ahmet

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[wolfrpi]

Ahmet, I'll tell you what I've ended up doing in basically the same type of situation as yours. My daily driver is now an 87 924S and my weekend/project car has become an 86 951. While the 951 is pretty quick now with the mods, I'm not sure just how reliable it would be as a daily driver. The 924S on the other hand is pretty cheap and reliable (knock on wood). Like my father says - if you put your foot into it, it is going to break - no matter what it is. By only driving the 951 on weekends, I minimize the "beating" on the car. I like this scenario so far. If I had paid a lot for the 951 though I'm not sure if I would be so comfortable leaving it for the weekends and races though. Food for thought.

Erick

[Tabor]

What I did do:

Get an 1984 Honda Accord for $600.00

Drive it until you have enough money for the car you want (I would go for the 968).

-Tabor

[PrerYDoG]

Ahmet, I really love the looks of a 968..mmmmm, scrumptious.

But, I think you should keep your 944. It's your baby eh? Think of the memories, think of all the good times the two of you have had, all the **** that car has pulled you out of...come on, can you possibly sleep well at night knowing that someone else might be playing hurting your baby? I know I couldn't.

I think a 951 would be an excellent compliment to that. If anything, a 951 can be converted to the look of the 968 if you so choose, but I'd go for the 951.

My 2 cents worth.

[Goku]

I'd also go for the 951. Perferably my 951 =P. BUY IT =P Anyways..I have loved my 951. They have a ton o power and look great.

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88' 951
Tonight I feel ambitious and so does my foot as it sinks on the pedal I press it to the floor...

[1.2gees]

I know we've been through this, but here it goes yet again:

It now looks like I'm going to keep the 944 as a dedicated track car, starting to strip it off creature comforts sometime very soon. However, I will keep the car at least street "drivable".

I'm not sure if I want to keep it competitive in a certain class, because that engine is very tempting, specially when I have 8 months to play with it, heck it's already got a cam, and a mild port&polish.

I'd probably end up taking out the balance shaft belt, ac, power steering, relocate the battery, so forth, and so on. I'd also likely convert to a manual sunroof, and windows (selling the parts in the process), the trunk release, etc. Most likely it'll have a "custom" free flowing exaust.

I'm thinking I can push about 200+ at the wheels without spending over $1000. Keep in mind I'll be doing all the work. Though I'm sure David (realrideracing) would disagree with me. You know that engine can handle higher rpm, and higher compression

Anyway, if I go this raute, (now I've agreed with my parents for good), I'll get 6k from them, and the insurance of both the cars. However I'd probably want to keep the $$$ in the bank, and work to add to it before I make a move on a 944 turbo. +A 944 with more than 200hp at the wheels, that weighs less than 2400lbs, without any turbo lag can't be too bad! In the event that I cange my mind (which I doubt I will), I'd have the option of going for something other than a 951, if things change. (As you all probably know, something big would have to change to keep me from ultimately getting a 951).

I believe this is the best compromise I can come to!

NOTE: I've located a 944 transale, with LSD, that I'm planning to rebuild, (the current one in the car was rebuilt not too long ago), I can't be too sure about transaxles!

Woooohoooo!
Ahmet

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[lm6y]

Sounds like you aren't going to be happy with anything but a 951. That last little scare you had made you "grow up" a lot. I don't mean that in a bad way, actually quite the contrary. I think we can all sleep better now if you get a 951. besides, not many of us have the balls to tear a 944 apart for the hell of it, and every one of us has gained from your experience. I think if anyone can make a 951 faster, it's you. And by the time I get a 951, you'll have yours torn apart 100 times, and I'll be asking for your advice on that too!

[1.2gees]

Im6y, what do you refer to when you say "last little scare"? BTW, thanks for the compliments, and I shall keep messing with 944s for a long time to come. And I do think I can do something pretty amazing with a 944 turbo. However I do NOT want to get a car in bad shape (unless I find an incredible deal, even then I'd hesitate). And most likely I'll wait for a 1 to 3 owner 944 turbo S, that has less than 70k miles, way less. First order of business will have to be the suspension and brakes though...

Anyway, thanks for the replies, I think I'm going to go with what I said on my last post, even though today alone I got 3 phone calls on the 944, none of them offered any money, and didn't seem TOO interested. I just cannot let that car go for anything less than $3k, and with what I plan for it, spending very little money, I don't see a problem with keeping it for as long as it makes sense to, as at least a back up/track car. If I know one thing, it's that I won't take the 944 turbo fender to fender racing anytime soon, that's reserved for the 944.

+I have full insurance, and an agreed value of over $6k, as well as all the receipts for all work done, so why sell it right?

I still welcome any comments, though I think I'm already set.

PS: My best friend just got a ticket (62, in 35) dropping me home from the library. This is one of my two good friends I auto-x with. (The white 300zx twin turbo pictures, with the car doing 145+ in 4th gear!)
Ahmet

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[1.2gees]

I just got the car home, for better or for worse...

I presume the board does not have problems with me posting updates of the progress as I go along, but ofcourse I won't tell you about changing the cooling sytem hoses, or oil...

Wish me luck again!
Ahmet

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[This message has been edited by 1.2gees (edited 01-23-2001).]

[lm6y]

We had a discussion a while back, we were all telling you to slow down, and if I remember right, you had a close call that made you decide to slow down a little. As far as the compliments go, I don't call them compliments if they are the truth. You know more about these cars than anyone on this board, so we would hate to lose your help.

[1.2gees]

Oh yes, I remember that...

I'm sure I'll still drive over the limit, just "take it easy"(-er)!!! Everybody I hang out with has gotten more than 2 tickets in the last year!

But hey, I've mostly resisted the temptation to drive a car, without my license. (it was very hard to let somebody drive my car today, observing all his mistakes) And I do believe I've learned something.

I enjoy finding out about these cars, working on them, looking for solutions to other's problems (makes me go through the thought process too), and oh yes, driving them! I'll definately auto-x the 944 (unless something goes wrong), but I'm considering racing it in PCA, and with SCCA...

Thank you for all the help/advice (read, wisdom)!
Ahmet

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[Pilot_951S]

Whoa I've been out of here for a while.

1.2,
Good choice build a track car out of the 944. Two suggestions 1) leave the power steering in and operating unless you get a manual rack from another car, trust me I know from experience you don't want to deal with a power rack that has no power. you end up sacrificing acurqcy and making yourself tired. 2) Leave the balance shaft assembly alone, you compromise a large chunk of reliability due to the excessive 2nd order vibrations without the balance shafts.

I think 200 RWH is acheivable but the motor will be peaky. You might consider getting a 2.7 liter block from an 89, and then putting a S2 crank in it (which will require new pistons and rod) to get you a 3 liter 8 valve motor. With some head, cam, and exhaust work that motor will give you 200 RWHP but a whole lot more low end too. (yes I love spending other peoples money)

Anyway then you can go out and buy a 951 or 968 for the street and have the best of both worlds.

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[1.2gees]

We miss you Pilot, check back more often!

Dude, I don't know what to do...

Today, I get some free time, so I decide to finally pull the center console out, and look at what's up with my (windshield) defroster.

It hasn't worked since I bought the car over 2 years ago.

Well, as I pull the console out, I find out the clip is not what's broken, but the box itself is, how'nthe F#@K does that work???

This is on the car that was supposed to be a cheap racer. If I strip everything off the interior (which I REALLY don't have a problem with), then I can't race in a class, and be competitive ANYWHERE. That ladies and gentleman is the problem...

What have I gotten myself into, bite and fix it, don't fix it put it back together? Sell it, strip it? Keep it? Considering I'll only have $6-7k for my next car, well, I don't know! I may end up parting it out. Or should I not let myself get distracted from my plan, spend the extra bucks and fix it the right way, keeping the interior in?

I think I'll try to decide this one.

Thanks again to everybody who has responded...
Ahmet

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[Pilot_951S]

1.2 you have a problem.

Go here http://www.corner-carvers.com for help.

These guys are serious so pay attention, and don't get discouraged if they rip you apart, its just their way.

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[1.2gees]

How's that site supposed to help me?

I'm gonna take the thing apart, try to fix it, without spending much money...
Ahmet

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