hey 944 na owners interested in supercharging, read this

[Scott R]

Need to get mine done of course, its a 1985.5 and I use the 12 psi pulley.

[Andre]

That sux.....no offence to anyone but i am defenetly not paying 3k for less than 20 hp and less than 40 lbs of torque. I mean i'm sure its awesome to have that extra torque at such low rpms off the line but hell its not worth 3k.

[daly944]

Ok, all those interested, listen up:
mark said that the project is a go, just one thing, they need a test car. Anyone near Austin, please speak up, you would save some money, and you have the supercharger installed and tuned by professionals. Thanks
Brendan.

[daly944]

also, if you want to be the test car, but are worried about not having a car for a long period of time, read this:

As soon as we can confirm a test car we can start. I only need the car
for a few hours initially, then a few more initially, then a day or so.
These intervals can be a week/two weeks apart, no biggie. It'll be drivable
between trips to see me.

Mark.

[Scott R]

Problem with that sheet also is that it was done with a paxton blower, I have since changed that to a much higher capacity Autorotor system with a bypass valve. I can't find my new sheet but I dynoed at 198 hp and 215ft/lb of torque after that conversion. And I need to get it done again with teh H2O injectoion and larger injectors.

[daly944]

thats great scott. As for the intercooler, I know that supercharging of knoxville makes them for the 944's, but it is for their paxton kit, so I have no clue if it would work for the autorotor. THe paxton supercharger is a somewhat out of date design, and is not optimal for our smaller engines, that is one reason why a good up to date supercharger will ad lots more hp/torque than the first dyno sheet scott posted.

Also, scott, have you done any 0-60 or 1/4 mile times yet?
Thanks.
brendan.

[Scott R]

I don't have a good way to do a 0-60, I run 225/50's and I know my speedo is off.

[daly944]

Scott R: The company that is going to do this supercharger kit is looking into making an optional intercooler, probably from spearco, so you may want to talk to them and see if they could send you one, I don't know if it would be compatible with the rimmer kit.

Also, all you 924s owners out there, this supercharger kit would work on your cars too cause you have the same engine as the 8valve 944na's, but you know that.

[EGSMachine]

You rock brenden. i thought i was hot shnikies cuz i gave Mark some info, but you took way further. you rock. thanks.
egs


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84-9445m
Porsche, "Overtly Masculine Feel".

[daly944]

lol egsmachine, thats funny. I see myself only as a messenger to allow us na owners to get a piece of the fast as hell 944 pie. Anyway.

[Texatl]

Yeah, Daly944 I'm sure you are JUST the messenger, totin' all pertinent information to the potential customer base. I'm sure you have no financial interest at all.

I like how you and "Mark" are thinking add-on sales already.... intercooler, etc.... You are a marketing genious!

Dude, if you knew anything about supercharging I'd be totally surprised. BTW, if you have no financial interest, you are a bigger idiot than I thought. Oh and nice industry cross section, I'm sure FAST is the ONLY company that can help us all out. How come you have contacted anyone else? OPTIONS...

Here's an option, buy a freakin' 951. Oh yeah, Aluminium Interior???? Seeing that you never said anything abaout racing, and I can't think of a class you'd race in with what you are talking about. I can only assume one thing - RICE... Look out import drags, here comes Daly!

Just remember to buy a really large "Suprcharged" sticker for it.

[daly944]

Look Texatl, I don't really feel like gettting into a big argument on the board, so I'll tell you what, you meet me anywhere for a race in about 3 months and I'll beat you like your parents should have.



Anyway, I really don't have any financial interest. I am just bored out of my mind, and looking for things to do to my car, seeing that it is summer and all. And, I have contacted numerous other places like rimmer, to see if they would reintroduce their kit, jackson supercharging, and a couple other places that make supercharging kits for beamers and porsche 911's. In the end, not many of them were interested, and since FAST does do a kit for another front enginged water cooled porsche, which has an engine exactly twice as big as mine, I decided, hell, why not ask them if they are interested. And if you don't like the idea of supercharging, then thats fine with me, but lay off those of us who are trying to realy information to others about this idea.

[Scott R]

Let him rant I have an 86 951 along with my 85.5 supercharged. Lower gearing in the na and higher base torque launch my supercharged 944 faster then a 951. He sounds like he has a real eliteist attitude towards turbocharged vehicles.

[Bob's944]

Sounds like a cool project to me, but would have to be way down the list of priorities for my 85.5 na. One thing 951's do have is beafier brakes and suspension. When you add in all that speed, you HAVE to take care putting it to the ground and stopping it. Suspension should really come before serious engine mods, and it's not hard to do or too expensive in comparison. Brakes seem like they can get pricey to go to better multi-piston calipers. Be a sad thing to get all done with your project, have it running awsome, only to lose it inna corner and crash. The NA's brakes and suspension are fine for the power it has, but I can see where it would need some improvement if power was to be increased cignificantly.

[ae1969]

uhmmmmm...the braking is an interesting question....

Curious to see everyone's opinion on this .....

NA brakes : handle the 150 hp upto what....

Turbo brakes: handle the 217 hp upto what....

Turbo S brakes: handle 250 hp upto what.....

I guess it all depends on how you want to rate brakes.......I think we would all love to have the big S4 brakes ('hand of god') stopping power.....but would it be necessary ...unless your auto-crossing....

SO if the NA brakes would be so called 'useless?' for the supercharging conversion (we would be lucky to get 200-220hp)..........would it be just as useless to chip and MAF our 951.....to increase the horsepower upto 300....without upgrading to at least the s4 brakes?

I am upgrading to the turbo brakes out of sheer.....enjoyment of converting my NA.....but I think the NA brakes are very good for everyday use ....and would easily handle the 200-220 that supercharging would produce....unless we were going to auto-cross these cars.....

[Texatl]

Alright, lets get something straight. I have no elitest attitude about turbocharged cars. I don't have a 951, and don't want a 951. I'd love to see a SC kit. BUT, ScottR you happen to be the only one on this board that has one - Even though some companies have tried and...

Lets do the math: If it was the hot ticket to gobs of HP and had a good bang for your buck, and the kit was nice, THEN EVERYONE WOULD BE DOING IT.

And, Daly944 what I was trying to tell you is; don't do all their (FAST's) leg work and get nothing out of it. That would be dumb. You are the one finding a test vehicle, posting updates to this board, etc... Dude, get something for it - Free installation, discount on the kit, or free kit if you bring in enough people. Realize, if this does happen, and 10 people on this board buy the kit, then that is 10 more kits than they ever thought they were gonna sell. Its not like they were gonna do a kit, come on here and tell us. They'd sell 10 more because of this post.

I mean If I buy the kit, and you showed me the way, even after I gave you a ration of *****, then you should get something for it.

OK, so I've been a jerk. Sorry! But, this horse has been beat weekly on this BBS and NOTHING EVER HAPPENS. No one goes out an buys a kit. No one goes and fabs one up. No one does the tuning and testing (except for ScottR). So I'm skeptical. But, I'd probably buy it if the price is right.

But I strongly feel spend the dough on suspension. If you want to supercharger, buy a Mustang. Those things are WICKED with a blower.

See ya...

[Scott R]

Didin't seem like a ton opf money to me. Hell tires cost me $700 a year, T belts around $400 and a $500 clutch every so often. Small investment in a hobby I love. I think if you love your 944 then do it! Mine happened to be a concours quality NA before supercharging. Seemed like a good idea for the money. However my 951 is in horrible shape. So I could spend around $3500 to restore the 951 (and I still will) or supercharge my NA for the fun of it! It's all about fun right? If it were not fun we would all drive mini vans.

[daly944]

I agree with scott r, i've spent 2 grand on stereo/security, 4 grand on an auto to manual tranny conversion, and another 750 on chip, headers, msd 6a ignition, and blaster 2 coil, with hot wires. My 944 is also in pure mint condition with 28k miles, I'm gonna own it till I'm out of college, so why not make it a little bit more fun?

[EugeneYu]

Do they make SC for 944S2? What result can I get? If it worth of money, I will buy one.

[Blackfoot]

Originally posted by daly944:
i've spent 4 grand on an auto to manual tranny conversion...

well, maybe you did represent yourself correctly in one respect...