Ribs, given both cars are in the same shape, I'd gladly take the 89 turbo...

Anyway, wehat you mention about the hondas, well try going to a shop that services 100+k mile japanese cars, that are 10-15 years old, or older and you will agree that german cars in general are built MUCH tougher, and certainly designed to last as well.
Ahmet

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Oh mieow, give that cat some cream !!!!
LOL LOL,

Sorry Rib's you did ask for that.

I still love you though bro !

Whoah there buddy. Looks like I hit a nerve. I guess my arguement was lost through lines of fluff and rambling. I was just saying that the grass is always greener. I like porsches as much as anybody on this BBS...that, and budget, were my main reasons for getting the car that I did. I was just stating that a 24 year old design (924, which all of our cars are based on) is at least 1 full generation removed from an NSX as far as design advancements. Obviously, the 924 (as well as the OG 911) was a great design and was continually built upon and improved until 1995 (or 1997 in the 911's case). It can be made competitive with almost anything out there today. As far as ""torn to pieces, under-engineered, low quality" is concerned, the 1st part I blame on the previous owner. Under-engineered...hardly...I would have to say over-engineered...an all-aluminum block and head, 100 hp/L (through turbocharging, in the 951S, not through some voodoo-like variable valve timing and high-compression ratio) motors that still run strong today, with many people getting 86' accord like 200K+ mile runs out of them is quite a testiment to design quality. True, they require more maintainance (a lot) but if taken care of, will out-last a lot of stuff out there. Low quality - well...my knock off of a 944 rx-7 turbo didn't have a crack in the dash, the seats had no rips, the center console was still intact, etc. The interior's build quality of these cars leaves something to be desired. The body work is phenominal though...it will never rust, and is much harder to dent than several other cars I have owned. Motor, transmission, suspension and brakes are all top quality...the fact that people are still driving these cars today everyday is a testiment to that. The arguement I was trying to make is that porsche is not the only car worth a damn out there that is affordable, fun, and tweakable...some people loose sight of that fact when all you ever read about and talk about (as far as cars go) is porsche. Why do you think hondas have such a huge following? Looking at it from your perspective, I would have to ask myself why country music has such a huge following, even if I do detest it...I would have to say...to each his own. This whole thread has mutated into such an off topic post that I feel fully justified in stating my opinions on what else is out there...


Hmmm..depends on your definition of tougher. I know 5 people with 86'-89' accords, all who abuse them, they all have between 220 and 350 thousand miles, and they all run good. One of them died with 280 thousand miles a short while ago...but it was the ECU, not the motor that went, and it just wasn't worth fixing, but the rest are still going strong. I agree that the way I abuse my 951 on a daily basis (full throttle take offs where ever applicable) and the fact that it runs just as good as when I bought it close to 2 years ago is a testiment to the fact that these cars can channel 280+ hp through the motor and transmission all day long and not break a sweat. Designed to last as well...true, but not nearly as easily as a honda. Timing belts, water pumps, oil leaks, motor mounts...these are problems that most hondas never see. My friend who's 86' accord died recently never had the timing belt done (all though they should have 4 or 5 times), and never had any of those problems listed. His family owned the car since it was new. Anyways, I was just stating that no car is infallable, and they all have something better than any other car out there, and usually a lot of things that are inferior to other cars out there (well...chevy caviliers...they are inferior to just about everything in every respect). So there...flame away boys.



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By that I mean everyone jumps on EuroSpec944's kill. The V6 Accord is a quick car, I don't doubt that he had a hard time beating one. Yeah, he was speeding. Like you folks haven't before? Say no and I'll say you're lying.

So what it was a Japanese car? It isn't "Jap crap". I don't understand the hatred towards a specific brand of car let alone an entire country that makes them. The Japanese make fine automobiles, if they can make some that can walk all over a Porsche, so be it...more power to them. Oooh...they don't have the name. So what? Does a name matter when you lose in a race? No. What matters is that you got your ass kicked by "piece of crap Japanese car". I will laugh my ass off when you guys are beat by some turbo Civic/Integra/Prelude, etc.

-Kierf.
--'79 Prelude.
--preludeparts.com

If you haven't seen the signature yet, you might want to check it out if your sister's friend can't. I can get all kinds of stuff for Preludes (and some stuff for Porsches).

-Kierf.
--'79 Prelude.
--preludeparts.com

remember the article in automobile magazine that tested the Porsche Carrera 4 against the Subaru WRX.. they were equal in most aspects but the Subaru did slightly beat the porsche and was WAY cheaper. i think you guys are glorifying your cars WAY too much. I LOVE my car and wouldnt want anything else, but at the same time, all asian cars arent crap. a modded skyline can easily beat a modded 911/968/944/951... and so on.


SHAUN

/me claps.

-Kierf.
--'79 Prelude.
--preludeparts.com

I'm 'jumping all over eurospec' for expecting me to believe he can actually beat an accord v-6.

Now, I like my car, and I'd like to own a 944 turbo for certain reasons, but beating hondas is NOT one of them, not even beating really fast hondas. You see, IMO a car's speed, handling, etc. matters, but so does how it feels doing all of this. You won't see me picking on hondas specifically because they make great chasis, and suspensions, but don't tell me fwd (w/whatever mod) can feel better than a rwd Porsche. And for you laughing when you see a turbo civic beat a 944, well refresh my memory, when did Honda ever make a turbo civic? A 'custom' car is a custom car, I'm sure somebody's 944 turbo can beat a turbo civic, what does all this mean? Nothing, and that's my point.

PS: Keep in mind I'm the one defending the V-6 accord against euro's 44, and at the same one, defending Porsches against hondas in general, there's a reason for that. Here's a good one, I've owned a Prelude Si, at my first time hard driving with that car, the brake pedal went to the floor, and I ended up flying right through a stop sign... This is the sportiest car they had for 1988 mind you, and the car was practically brand new at 14,000 miles, need I say more?
Ahmet

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Ahmet, grow up and realize that i didn't say I would kick his ass any day, and don't put words into my mouth you assume are true.

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