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svandamme 06-01-2004 01:17 AM

i thought a weight reduction is always good ?!!?

Brando 06-01-2004 01:24 AM

¾ the parts gives you ¾ the weight :D

svandamme 06-01-2004 02:09 AM

next :
windshield and wipers
wheels
radiator and fan
rear glass hatch

that C&C laser cutter was the best investment i made in a loooong time :D

Brando 06-01-2004 02:23 PM

hahaha, C&C laser my engine block too :)

svandamme 06-01-2004 02:40 PM

can do buddy,

take your pick :

1/4th of each cylliner, and respectably 1/4th of the surrounding block per cyllinder

or

the engine block , 1/4th of it , over the lengty of the engine

or

1/4 of the bottom

the possibilities are endles, it's up to you, what's your overal strategy with your car... :D

Brando 06-01-2004 02:46 PM

i wonder if the laser C&C process can be used to enlarge the cylinder bore?

svandamme 06-01-2004 03:00 PM

dunno ,

i know a place that has one of those puppies, fully automated, takes it's own chizzles and drills , whatever it needs
just enter a lump of aluminium , and some specs, and the bugger delivers...it even figures out how to get the most parts out of the lump of aluminium for you...

with a machine like that, i wouldn't need no stinking parts
i just need specs...trouble is, it costs several millions and they aren't letting me play with it :( they waste it on stinking chopper engines

then again, if they'de let me play with it
i'de end up with a whole lotta useless parts
and a broken machine, so i guess it's pretty wise of them :D

svandamme 06-02-2004 09:01 AM

Brando,

little off topic,

do you know anything about conversions to either EFI or Webers on a 924 block?

i know the Weber conversion has been done, but what's the result ?
reliability and performance wise

haven't seen any EFI conversions , do you know if they exist?

SoCal Driver 06-02-2004 09:44 AM

Both have been done. Check out www.924.org.

svandamme 06-02-2004 09:47 AM

it doesn't mention much results, do webers give more power or less?
are they easier when it comes to starting the engine in cold/hot conditions?

i suspect EFI is kinda overkill and expensive for a 924

SoCal Driver 06-02-2004 09:58 AM

Think the 944 DME setup has been fitted to a 924. You could get a complete set up for less than $500 I would think. Have to figure out the fuel rail thing and the speed referenece sensors but seems to be do able.

Brando 06-02-2004 10:14 AM

You'd have to fabricate or find a flywheel speed reference sensor... Depending on what kind of DME you get, you might need to do some extra work with the flywheel. Early flywheels have 2 or 3 magnetic marks on them, late only have 1 (am i correct?).

If anything i'd suggest having your block bored out to about 2.4, get the big-bore pistons and rings, then carb the mofo. Looking at anywhere between the 150-165 horsepower range. You sacrifice fuel economy for more power all across the band.

svandamme 06-02-2004 10:20 AM

so carbs are more power?
what is there to expect on the stock 2liter?

Brando 06-02-2004 02:18 PM

More low to medium range torque, depending on the setup. If i remember correctly, your power band is determined by the height (length) of the intake manifold, and height (length) of the velocity stacks... Get a good look at what's available on the market and see what their benefits are. If you want to retain fuel economy... keep to the CIS and associated headaches.

svandamme 06-02-2004 02:27 PM

but fuel economy , if that's what i want, i might as well get me a friggin new car... :D

Brando 06-02-2004 02:42 PM

Going with carbs on yours will get you about 10-15 more HP, and that's a generous estimate. The intake will also sound throatier, and you'll be pulling in hot engine air instead of cool outside air like your CIS. So i'd also suggest fabricating up an airbox that directs cool air from outside to the carbs...

svandamme 06-02-2004 02:51 PM

if the performance stays the same , or more ,then that's fine

is it more reliable ? cold / warm starts
difficult to maintain?

Brando 06-02-2004 06:13 PM

Reliable... I'd say in my experience of mechanical injection VS carburetion... Carbs win. Electronic fuel injection VS carbs... EFI wins.

Cold starts... you'll be keeping your foot on the gas pedal until it reaches operating temp :) Warm starts... no problem. Just imagine that you'd be driving a VW bug and have all of the carb issues associated with that. As long as you keep them clean, air filters clean and good fuel, you're good to go.

svandamme 06-02-2004 11:44 PM

sweet, me wants!!

now to find me a european supplier of the little sidedraft buggers.

EFI , although cool sounding , is to much hastle, and it has chips.
i don't like chips much.... to much of those at work...

svandamme 06-05-2004 07:59 AM

ok , lill update
apparently nobody in europe sells the conversion kit
and i don't feel like forking over 200 bucks in shipping costs either

so i got jiggy with the CIS instead
turns out , that the CIS electrics were dead

so i simplified things :

5th injector now has a wire going to my rear window defogger switch

cold start = on
hot start = off
warm start = on
highway = off
red light = on
speeding = on

crude, but effective
and still cheaper than spending 1500 bucks on a weber conversion :D


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