Wilks Chip

[bulachip]

I really want his chip. Is there anything I can do? I don't have the know how unless walked through to install it myself but I am considering a 951 and before I take that last step I am going to see if i can get this old girl to move a little quicker ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!!

[CJFusco]

this is really starting to turn into an epidemic

maybe the 944s outfitted with the Wilks chip will be worth more some day?

[fast924S]

JUST GET THE 951, No wilk chip will beat a 951

[seaboltman]

Get the 951. You will be happier.

[Techno Duck]

I agree, it seems youve already made your mind up about the lack luster acceleration of the n/a cars. Adding the chip will likely make you only content with the car for a month or two, then you will be right back in the same position of wanting a turbo again!

[Dan in Pasadena]

Apparently, Ihave one of Floyd's last chips. My car is a late ('87) NA. NO question it improved the car. But don'texpect much, and no it doesn't even moderately come close to a 951. Raspier tone as it runs up to 5000 rpm and above, a little snappier overall, but...

My car is very well sorted, I haven't spared any expense and it runs great, but it just won't accelerate like a 951, few cars do.

For commuting and running up through the gears alone on a twisty road, the 944 is a fine car, solid as hell, not a squeek outta mine after 18 years. Just don't expect too much.

[bulachip]

I have made up my mind I will not jump ship!!! I love my 83 and will never get rid of it. If I need to I will "Perhaps foolishly" Build up the motor to what I want. After all a turbo is tempting but I feel a strong attachment to my car and cant leave her. I want to put 6 grand into my motor alone. I have the money set aside for a turbo and want to instead do my car right!!!!



CHip

[fast924S]

6 grand can get you a sweet NA motor

[bulachip]

I am interested to know. Just how sweet would a 6,000 944 rebuild be?


Could you hit 250hp?

[fast924S]

Ahh Now that is a big question

First off if You can get 7-8,000 then we can go crazy

There are many roads to take with that kinda money into a engine
You could drop 5G and get a supercharger kit. If I am correct with the sage 2 SC and a stock motor you will be some where around 225hp and you still have another grand to do any other engine mods like exhaust or cam.

I wouldnt count on getting over 200hp out of a 2.5L na with out some kinda power adder like nitrous of a SC

You could do a full rebuild and bore it out to a 2.7 and drop some high compression pistons in ( about $1200 a set), Knife edge and cross drill the crank, DO some head work and drop in a cam and have some good HP

It really all depends on what you wanna do, Give me a better Idea of the way you want to go and I can give you better options

[Techno Duck]

Spending $6000 on rebuilding a n/a 944 is not very effective use of funds. $6000, plus whatever you can sell your '83 for can buy you a reasonable 944 Turbo which will put out close to your target of 250 hp very easily with minor mods. Not to mention at 250 hp, the n/a transmission will not hold up well to the power.

Included with purchasing a 944 Turbo are better brakes and suspesion to handle the extra power. Also a huge amount of aftermarket options for power modifications.

[Ferrara_racing]

Changing the power to a 944 with no consideration to the supporting vehicle systems might not get you where you want to be. Porsche themselves once had an ad showing all the "other" changed pieces on the 951, things like suspension and brake systems. You already have a great fast car, drive it and enjoy it, save the 6K for a day when you replace it...

[CJFusco]

*ignoring Boxster man*

I am surprised that more 944 haven't tried to swap their cranks with a S2 crank... that would give an increase in displacement, no?

[bulachip]

I would really like to not sc it or ad nitrous. I have nothing against these mods but am really interested in increasing displacement, possiably 2.8 and adding high compression pistons, a super cam and a better fuel delivery system.

It seems that people perhaps think that 6 grand is a bit much.

I don't want a car that is crazy fast. But i think it would be fun to completly rebuild the motor on this car to make it mint, more powerfull and reliable. Everyone who wants more power just buys a 951. But I am not jumping ship.


I also think that Bigger breaks, stiffer suspension is not a big a deal as people make it out to be. I will not race this car and I feel that 944 breakes are fine for normal street driving. Also they may be upgraded later. The same is true with suspension. Perhaps I can get around these problems buy building a car with around 200hp instead of 250?

Could the stock drivetrain ( I have a brand new clutch) handle 200hp if driven gentely. i need to stress i do not beat on this car. I drive it like an old lady. After replacing that clutch I don't even spin em on ice!!!!

[Dan in Pasadena]

Look, I don't beat my car either. And maybe its only semantics but "I drive like an old lady" begs the question, "Then why do you want to dump $6,000 into an engine upgrade?".

I've got zero problem with anyone wanting to spend a lot (too much) on his own vehicle - your money, your call. But if you really do drive pretty sedately, AND you are saying you feel you would have to drive "gently" to maintain the running gear with the larger HP -whatever mod's you ultimately do - then I would suggest spending that money on a quality stock, balanced rebuild and buy better wheel/tire combo, suspension and brakes (not breaks or breakes!) where the expense will do you the most good. If this sounded harsh, it was not my intent. Good luck no matter what you decide to do.

Personally, much as I really like my NA and God knows I have spent too much on it, I will probably go to the dark side (911) at some point.

[bulachip]

No offence taken.

I guess you make great points. I simply was trying to say that i don't burn out, all the time but would love a few wextra ponys and am not interested in a turbo car what are my options??

[fast924S]

If you do a search there is a ton of info on this stuff.

I would go the 2.7 or 2.8 sleeved and some custom JE high compression pistons like 11 to 1, Get the bottom end balanced and lightened, Knife edge and cross drill the crank, Get some new stronger connecting rods, get some porting and polishing done and a 3 angle vlave job and if need be get bigger valves, THen drop in a sweet cam with better valve springs and retainers, Do some exhaust upgrades and if you can ditch the AFM and go MAF, Install some under drive pullies from Broadfoot and a Ignition and a ECM upgrade and you should be happy. Or you can find out how much Broadfoot wants to build you a motor, I think they said they can build 200hp NA motors.

with out any power adders the only way to really get big HP jumps is to bore or stroke, Im against stroking because it will increase pistons speeds and G loads but to each his own

[DannoXYZ]

Fast924S's building a killer motor there. It should be pretty close in speed to a 951 due to the lower weight. Can't wait to see it! BTW, there's A LOT of power hidden in the head, that's where I would spend the majority of the budget....

Dan, you have any before and after chip comparisons on your car? Like timed runs?

[bulachip]

I love this it is soo much fun. A trubo car is great there is no question but. I know that there is ways to sweek out more from a NA it does not have to be cheap I will save up. I guess what triggered this spark in me is my dad. He has perhaps the sweetest car I have ever driven. I am 23 years old and am about to get my first post college job. I hope to be able to use this extra money to build my car the way i want it before life's commitments catch up wioth me.

My dad has a 69 BMW 1600 with a 2002 motor that is completly tricked out. It was build back in the 70's by a service manager of a large BMW dealership. He was planning to trun it into a race car but had some finichial problems. He sold it to my dad in 1976 and my dad has driven it every summer since. It was truly build right. My dad says that it makes 175hp. Which is crazy for a little 4banger. It is stock around 100hp and I am not sure of all the mods but it has Alpina racing pistons, Huge dual webber's individual throttel boddies and some headers. I don't know if i believe the hp numbers, but it is surly faster than my 83NA


Anyway i guess i just want to follow in his footsteps. What is most impressive is that the engine is still strong after all these years and miles.

I will try to post a pic of this car and motor!!!

Thanks fast924s for all your help!!!!

that setup sounds sweet I just wish I knew how to do it! But hell I have to learn sometime!!!

[fast924S]

Danno, Im not building the motor, just recommending what I would do.

I would love to build one But between some custom pistons and sleeving the motor to a 2.7 its gonna be like $4,000, I dont have that kinda money, Im just gonna drop in a JM cam, Lightweight flywheel and my 75hp shot of nitrous, and maybe some porting and polishing clean her up and do some body and suspension mods and ride until I get bored agian