Pelican Parts
Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   Pelican Parts Forums > Porsche Forums > Porsche 924/944/968 Technical Forum


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread
Author
Thread Post New Thread    Reply
Registered
 
exitwound's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: State College, PA
Posts: 1,499
Garage
Belt Shavings (pics)

Somehow I don't think this is normal. I opened up the timing belt cover to investigate what could be a cam shaft seal leak when I noticed that there are shavings of the timing belt all over. I don't remember any of my old belts doing this nor have ever seen this happen before on any engine. Obviously, it's rubbing against something but without really opening up the front end, I can't see what it is. Car runs fine and belt feels tight (twist method).

The shavings appear to be local to the cam shaft area and not below.

Ever seen this? What should I do?




__________________
-Patrick
Black 1986 944
Old 01-02-2012, 05:57 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #1 (permalink)
Registered
 
944sracer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 114
Garage
I have never seen this before.

It seems like the shavings are originating after the belt comes off of during its rotation around the cam tower. I'd take off the distributor cap and the metal covers its attached to and look there.
__________________
89' 951 Turbo S Race Car - SP-3, PT-B
87' 944 Diamond Blue Metallic - DD

"Practice does not make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect" - Ross Bentley
Old 01-02-2012, 06:58 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #2 (permalink)
Custom User Title
 
mikepellegrini's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Tacoma, WA
Posts: 1,897
Garage
+1

I've seen that happen before when the belt rode back towards the cab a teeny bit and was rubbing on the back belt cover.

Is your back cover properly secured? Are all the rollers oriented properly?
__________________
83 944 NA - Black on black
86 951 - Red - SOLD 7/21
16 Ford Expedition

He who hesitates is lost.
Old 01-02-2012, 07:12 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #3 (permalink)
944 addict
 
mytrplseven's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Orlando area
Posts: 2,765
Garage
Send a message via AIM to mytrplseven
I saw this picture a few months back and can't remember what was the issue. If it was mine, I'd check everything: belt tension, idlers and tensioners to see if they're shot or one is frozen and whether one of the tensioners or idlers have loosened up on it's respective shaft.
__________________
3 944's, 2 Boxsters and one Caman S, and now one 951 turbo. Really miss the Cayman.

Some people try to turn back their "odometers." Not me. I want people to know 'why' I look this way. I've traveled a long way and some of the roads weren't paved.
Old 01-02-2012, 07:15 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #4 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: stillwater, Ok
Posts: 127
Garage
mine looked alot like this then about ten or so teeth compelty shave off the belt.
Old 01-02-2012, 07:58 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #5 (permalink)
Cogito Ergo Sum
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 29,791
Garage
Which side of the belt is showing wear? With that much missing you should be able to tell where it's coming off the belt, and that will narrow the possible causes.
Old 01-03-2012, 12:37 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #6 (permalink)
Registered
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 825
check to see if crankshaft gear is on correctly. it should have washer like end on gear facing outward towards balance shaft big gear otherwise cambelt will be pushed out to rub on front covers. many times they are installed backwards after some one replaces a front crankshaft seal. the belt tensioner has the washer like end to the inside towards engine block thus the cambelt has a guide on both sides of belt to keep it running straight.
Old 01-03-2012, 12:53 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #7 (permalink)
Non Compos Mentis
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Off the grid- Almost
Posts: 10,593
The balance shaft belt in my race car commited suicide in a similar fasion a couple years ago while on track.
Timing belt was fine.

Kinda odd.
Old 01-03-2012, 06:53 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #8 (permalink)
Registered
 
exitwound's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: State College, PA
Posts: 1,499
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by 944sracer View Post
I'd take off the distributor cap and the metal covers its attached to and look there.
That's how I got this picture actually. Under the distributor cap and cover, there doesn't seem to be any abnormal wear that I could see. There's also no oil leak, which I thought I'd find.

The timing belt covers seemed to be tight and nothing felt like it was rubbing. As you can see, there're no shavings on the bottom of the engine leading me to think that the rubbing it up top somewhere. Although, due to engine rotation, it could just be ending up there.

It's 18 degrees out now so I can't do any more checking, not until the weekend when it might hit 30!
__________________
-Patrick
Black 1986 944
Old 01-03-2012, 01:57 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #9 (permalink)
Registered
 
porschetub's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 1,419
Garage
Would I be correct and in saying its plastic shaving and not rubber? is your cover secured with all the 6mm bolts?
__________________
1985 944 2.7 motor,1989 VW Corrado 16v,57 project plastic speedster t4 power,1992 mk3 Golf,2005 a4 b7 qt avant 3.0 tdi,1987 mk2 Golf GTI,1973 914,2.2t to go in.
Past cars, 17 aircooled VW's and lots of BMW's
KP 13/3/1959-21/11/2014 RIP my best friend.
Old 01-03-2012, 03:20 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #10 (permalink)
Registered User
 
C ANDERSON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: MISSISSIPPI
Posts: 78
Garage
It may just be the pic or angle but the edge of the belt on the the rh side looks like the edge of the cogs are chewed up. Also the inner cover looks close to the w/p pulley .
Old 01-03-2012, 06:40 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #11 (permalink)
Registered
 
porschetub's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 1,419
Garage
Belts

I reckon its plastic and its on the outside edge of the cambelt and through cogs and rollers on the cambelt,not good,why is it not through the balance belt?
If the crank drive cog was loose there would be no oil pressure?so what else is chewing @ the plastic?
Call Sherlock Holmes

__________________
1985 944 2.7 motor,1989 VW Corrado 16v,57 project plastic speedster t4 power,1992 mk3 Golf,2005 a4 b7 qt avant 3.0 tdi,1987 mk2 Golf GTI,1973 914,2.2t to go in.
Past cars, 17 aircooled VW's and lots of BMW's
KP 13/3/1959-21/11/2014 RIP my best friend.
Old 01-03-2012, 08:42 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #12 (permalink)
 
Reply


 


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 10:00 PM.


 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2025 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page
 

DTO Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.