Originally Posted by 924CarreraGTP (Post 7992036)

My ideas are probably unwanted here as they often are on conversion posts, but I don't care for the quality of anything mass produced by GM.
Porsche won the GTE-Pro, and GTE-Am classes at LeMans beating Corvette Racing in 2013, and in 2014 will probably take top honors in the P1 category. I have a feeling it's coming real soon. Seeing as how Porsche is statistically the most winning endurance racing car manufacturer in history. Over 20,000 wins, and 16 overall wins at LeMans. The 919 just took the fastest lap at Paul Ricard this week.
You can quote weight differences, power output, or whatever else you want to quote about the LS series engines, but they don't impress some of us. They will never be a Porsche engine. With money and development a Porsche can outperform a Corvette any day. 2013 LeMans is proof of that. Maybe not a tired old 944, or 968, but with development you could have a very fast car with a 944 Turbo, S2, or 968. Auto Haus had a 185mph 951 in the 1990's.
Next, something nobody ever mentions in these V8 superiority swap arguments is that the slant four of the 924/944/968 engines was designed to counter the weight of the driver on the right side of the car. Porsche engineers everything for a purpose. When you slap a V8 in a 944 you are not only changing the weight, but taking away dynamic handling balance of the car.
Therefore, a 951Turbo, S2, or 968 engine is in my book the only acceptable swap for a 944.
You can argue with me until you are blue in the face, but none of you are Porsche engineers. Also, nobody at Chevrolet is a Porsche engineer either. 2013 LeMans also showed that.
That is my .2 cents worth.
You are doing a Porsche 944 a disservice by going for the cheapest power plant swap that makes the most horsepower. The question is how long will it make that hp? Will it run 24 hour races as the stock 944 engines did in the 1980's? It's doubtful.
My partner and I spend every spare dime that we make on our Porsches, and I make them my own, but if I couldn't afford to modify my cars, I would drive them as is. I'll lose to new Corvettes with pride because in 1986 my 944 would tear a Corvette a new butthole on the race track, and well prepared 944 race cars still win constantly in SCCA racing.

Originally Posted by Lapkritis (Post 7992329)

You mean to say you don't want to add the hump to the hood too? ;)

The shorter 4 cyls do sit further back so there is more room due to less slope of the hood. You might get away with it.

Originally Posted by cockerpunk (Post 7992349)

lol, in every way the LS series of engines are more powerful, smaller, lighter, and more reliable then our nearing 30 year old power-plants. and if you try to build a turbo engine to put the numbers down that an LS engine does .... it only gets worse for the Porsche power plant.

what is with folks on these boards .... seriously ... delusionally nuts. so brand obsessed they can't see past that crest of Stuttgart up there ...

Originally Posted by Lapkritis (Post 7992329)

You mean to say you don't want to add the hump to the hood too? ;)

The shorter 4 cyls do sit further back so there is more room due to less slope of the hood. You might get away with it. The water neck on the bell housing side is also present on the vw/Audi 1.8t. There is space beneath the OEM outlet on the Audi head where you could relocate it with some machine work to create more space and blocking off the OEM port. Similar to the Mitsubishi, you would possibly need to whittle a solution out of a block of aluminum.

Found this from a 924 swap in the UK:


This is the vw/Audi 1.8T...

Originally Posted by Lapkritis (Post 7992635)

...Racing heritage doesn't mean jack to people who actually want to drive their cars hard and have fun.

Originally Posted by 9FF (Post 7992689)

You are assuming everyone wants to "drive their cars hard and have fun". Well yes! but we are a diversified bunch here, some seek perfection, some originality, some just like to be unique, it's all good. If that's all that motivates you then that is fine, throw that V8 in there, it will do the job very nicely. Let's face it most racecars including F1 fit other engines in their cars, Lotus (Renault, Ford), Mclaren (Mercedes, Honda), etc., they are all fit for purpose.

I would love to build a high compression 3.0L na with standalone, direct ignition, dry sump and ITB's. It would cost a lot and probably be unreliable and need constant tweaking, but that's what motivates me.

I think it's good that we are a diversified bunch, it doesn't mean one person is stupid doing it one way when they can do it another way cheaper, better and faster, it just means that that is the way he or she wants to do it.

Originally Posted by Lapkritis (Post 7991711)

There are some topics that I personally hold as taboo and I know I'm not alone. It's the way I was raised. Talking about my money to impress while saying others don't have a pot to piss in flies in the face of proper manners as I understand them. This is my last interaction with you I hope as I feel dirty just reading your posts ripping on the community here. We can discuss costs of specific items and labor rates all day long but you've crossed a line from any hope of salvaging or earning respect.

Also taboo is "tooting your own horn." This is why I won't stand toe to toe to measure shafts with you. It's poor form of you to even ask. You're probably set in your ways and shrugging this insight off as my problem. I assure you, I don't encounter many folks so crass and obtuse. There are other venerable members here comfortable in their own skin and filth of mind. I don't think those few of you however vocal represent the community at large. I've seen plenty of good, helpful and encouraging people here including our host of which you are not.

I hope you find peace behind the wheel of your $150k 968 if not for how it drIves but in knowing and taking comfort in the fact that you've spent more than anyone else... if that's what makes you feel whole and superior to others. What a sad and shallow existence if that's how you're left to measure yourself in the back slope of life.

Originally Posted by flash968 (Post 7991552)

any car i was considering, had to be a 2 seat convertible, and had to have reasonable potential for performance, but the most important and inescapable features i was looking for was the ability to carry 2 cases of wine, 2 sets of golf clubs, a weekend of luggage, and the wife. the vette doesn't even come close. the 968 was the only car i could find that had the potential for what i was looking to have.

the vette doesn't come close to the way the blue 968 handles (handling and cornering being 2 very different animals). ... the vette corners very well, but feels very large and heavy. it's very sure-footed, but it certainly can't be called nimble. the new one is definitely the best so far, but still doesn't feel like what i was looking for. i did look at it though, ... i may swap the DB9 for the SL550, but not for the 968. ...

when considering power plants, i looked at everything i could find. in the end, the only thing that i could put in there that would not become a mess, was the 968 engine. i've built and driven 944 based V8 swaps and they drive like a vette (not a good thing). the hydroboost sucks and the powerplant and clutch were anything but smooth. gobs of torque, but you couldn't use it. fun to stomp on. crap around town. not what i was looking for. so, i rebuilt the 968 engine, beefed up the parts that needed it in there, and then boosted it.

Originally Posted by Lapkritis (Post 7994115)

Rover V8 swap (another 924 in the UK):

For Sale Porsche 924S V8 - wolf in sheeps clothing... - VW Forum - VZi, Europe's largest VW, community and sales

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...arterhigh2.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...8/IMG_1036.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...ayandfront.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...8/IMG_1032.jpg

Looks like the intake manifold is a bit too tall...

Originally Posted by cockerpunk (Post 7992349)

lol, in every way the LS series of engines are more powerful, smaller, lighter, and more reliable then our nearing 30 year old power-plants. and if you try to build a turbo engine to put the numbers down that an LS engine does .... it only gets worse for the Porsche power plant.

what is with folks on these boards .... seriously ... delusionally nuts. so brand obsessed they can't see past that crest of Stuttgart up there ...

Originally Posted by 924CarreraGTP (Post 7994887)

What is it with people who can't read? I said "Maybe not a tired old 944 or 968, but with development you could have a very fast car." Also if the GM LS engines are so great why can't Corvette Racing seem to consistently beat Porsche?