914-6 with 911S 2.2 engine - Value?
 

Hi,

I'm considering the purchase of an original 1971 914-6 that has had it's original engine replaced by a 911S 2.2 engine (also from '71), with Weber 40 IDAs.

I have no idea what a reasonable value could be. I know pictures would make a huge difference, but I can't post any right now.

The car has steel flares and comes with a set of 7" Fuchs wheels. Needs new tires.

It needs to be totally stripped and painted (windows out), but I find it safe to assume there is no rust under the current paint.
The engine is in good shape, maybe it needs to be re-sealed.
The seller provides a new set of (plastic) bumpers
Interior is shot, needs everything new (steering wheel is OK, instruments are OK)
Removable roof needs to be re-surfaced (it is pained black. Maybe a replacement is needed)
Needs new shocks and probably some suspension rubber. Brakes, steering and tranny (a 901) are fine. Exhaust is fine
Needs new rear lights and front turn signals
Rest of the electrical is OK
Glass is OK

Given the flares I'd like to do a GT type of car.

Any ideas on what a reasonable price could be?

Thanks

Your rust assumption is unwarranted. These cars love to rust in places that aren't apparent from the outside. Digging into the areas where the right-rear trailing arm mounts, and the area under the battery, and the area around the jack points (under the black cover) can show problems that you won't see just looking at the car.

Does the car have a VIN that starts "914"? If it starts "47", it's been converted from a four-cylinder car. Factory Sixes have a "914" VIN.

The lack of originality and the condition bring the value down very much from the top dollar cars. I haven't been keeping up on the value of project cars, so any value estimate I can give would be a total guess. My guess is $10K-$25K depending on actual condition. Maybe more if it's driveable and there isn't any hidden rust.

--DD

I agree with all of this until your price. A 2.2S engine by itself, if complete with all MFI stuff, is $25k by all day long. You've basically placed a 914-6 roller at no value. I'm going to double your number and say $40-50K assuming it is an actual sixer. If it's a 4 conversion like I just bought, more like $35K or less.

About two years ago, I sold a very well running 2.2S engine for $10k.
No induction or engine tin was included.

This is an actual sixer 9141430xxx. No doubts there

I drove the car yesterday for about 30 minutes, no issues there, the car drives well.

The car had a bare metal (windows out) paint job about 10 years ago in white, but it has a few dings here and there, and I don't care for white. Original color was 14 (signal orange?), and I'd want to return it to that color.

I have checked for rust, put it on a lift, there is no rust visible, though I agree some could turn up when it has been stripped.

Thanks again

I am in the 40-50K camp as well.
A running drivable, no visible rust real vin 914/6, with a period correct S motor, yeah, 40-50K. Even with the flairs.

I agree with 40-50. 25 for the engine, 15 for the chassis. 10 for all the real 6 parts. Just a real 6 dash frame goes for $1k. Many parts on a 6 are specific to a 6. It all ads up.

Thanks again to all of you

As I said, I was taking a guess. I didn't realize how valuable the motors had gotten...

BTW, the value for a project car is almost always less than the total value of the parts. Many driver-level cars are also this way, or have been in the past.

--DD

So.. does this car have more value because it has the wrong motor (but arguably better motor) or if it had its numbers matching motor? Non original flares? (or is it a unicorn of a car and they are actually M471 flares/optioned car?)

914/6 vin starts at $10K. Condition works out the rest of the value ;)

I think the "better engine" is less valuable than the original engine (installed in the car, if you were to part it out, that's another story).

Is it an original flared car? No idea, and to my knowledge no way of knowing except maybe with a COA

Thanks

The S engine is worth more than a regular old 914/6 engine, but the value of the car takes a hit because it is no longer numbers matching. It's kind of a wash IMO.

Flares in general are a weird piece of 914 history. The 914/6 GT with flares was something Porsche wanted to homologate for Group 4 racing. In addition to that, what happened in the States was Porsche tried (unsuccessfully) to homologate them to B Production SCCA racing. Since there weren't enough factory ones made, they made conversion kits available as an add on sale through the dealer. As such there are a bunch of GT "replicas" built back in period using real factory parts but not actual GTs according to the COA. I guarantee your car isn't a GT from the factory, but it could have been built up as new or shortly thereafter.

Any updates? Did you buy it?

Fast forward 4.5 years...

Yes, I finally bought the car! I couldn't come to an agreement with the seller in 2018 but kept in touch. I was able to buy it late last year. The car has been sitting for the last 4 years and now I need to get it sorted out mechanically.

Henry

Holy zombie thread Batman!

Well that’s cool AF. Can you post pictures and give as an update of how it’s going. Color me jealous.

I only have a few lousy and old pictures. But here they go. I will start recommissioning the mechanics right away and the cosmetics will follow later in the year. Original color is Gulf Orange, and it will be returned to that color.

I have the original bumpers and a second set of Fuchs wheels

I'm sure it will turn out nice

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Very cool! I'm converting a 914 2.0 to a flat 6. Without knowing where you started at price, I'm thinking you still got a deal. A 914-6 is awesome. Starts with all the right bits. 2.2 with Webers is a fun motor.

Thanks, I'm definitely excited

I think most of the time it's a coin toss when you buy a car, you hardly ever really know the actual condition until you've had it for a while. Especially with a car that needs a fair amount of work like this one.

I think I paid a fair price but the coin toss can still go either way. But I'll still have tons of fun regardless.

Sometimes you toss the dice. I’ve got a 1970 914-6 conversion race car I picked up a few years back. It’s got a twin plug supertec 2.8 built on a 75 7R case along with a Wevo 916 gearbox. I bought it for what I figured I could sell the engine, gearbox, and roller for, knowing I was going to spend money getting it right.

Looking forward to following your project. Maybe it will inspire me to dig further into mine.

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i'm certainly biased, but you're on your way to a nice GT build, especially with that motor. this is what mine looked like when i bought it.


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as it is now. i love the GT's.

matt, i have half a mind to try and trade you my 3.6 for that supertec motor. i've had the notion to put that very motor in this car for a long time. the 3.6 is wild and crazy fun in a "i'm going to die at any moment" kind of way, but this car at 2000 lbs with that 2.8 would be bonkers...

You've mentioned that before. I am in agreement that the 2.8 is the perfect engine for a 914, and I like the period look of the Weber 46s. Converting to 3.6 is way above my paygrade.

Mine has a 3.3

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Looks like a great car and project, congrats! My "6" 914 is a converted 73 chassis that was built in the 90's using a bunch of factory 6 parts before they were worth anything. This includes a 914/6 case built to 2.2 S specs, factory dash, etc. I refreshed it after many years of sitting and updated systems for vintage racing. I may be done with that due to health issues and will either sell it at some point or put it back to more street trim.

914world.com is the place for questions and support as you dive in to this.


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Looks like a good car and great start over a conversion. We are cloning a narrow body using a 75 and outside of the structural differences, which we will live with under the covers, have to deal with suspension, oil tank, steering column, gauges, wheels, bumpers, and engine mounting. We are installing a 69 2.0 911S MFI… should be lots of fun!

Here’s mine last fall when I was doing driveway clean up, prior to wrapping the car up for the winter.

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What's the plan with this. Are you going to race it? BTW, I miss my Outback XT. That's one that should have been kept!

First off, please let me apologize, because you’ve reminded me I left off our conversation via email when I never followed up on your offer to swap cars, regarding my LE.

The plan when I bought it was to harvest the engine and gearbox and put it into the bumble bee. If I had a better workspace, and more money, what I’d love to do is restore the body to steel where you see the panels missing. And then install a Subaru engine mated to a Cayman gearbox. I’ve got a new product I’m going to release at some point that is a flywheel and adapter plate that will mate an EJ/EZ engine to a 986/987/997 gearbox. Emptyo is using it in project blasphemy where he’s putting EZ30 twin turbo into an old rusty 1970 911s (he’s repairing it from being a 993 look racer). It’s kind of like a Bishimoto style thing, but in a retro chassis.

More likely answer will be to sell it as a roller because I won’t get to it before we move in a few years. Other option is just fix the body, detune everything and drive it as a race car for the street.

Based on the traffic I see on 914world, that product should do well. Lots of Subie swaps going on.

No worries at all. As it turns out, I ended up with this LE after either one of the smarter or dumber bidding strategies on BAT. I guess it depends on whether the price I paid was too low or too high :-)

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Cool. I looked at that car during the auction, but never looked to see the final bid. Seems a decent car.

I've been pleasantly surprised and a little detective work yielded conversations with two prior owners, including the one who did the restoration. It has been sitting for many years post resto, so there will be some winter projects to freshen up a few things, but it is a nice car.

Cool. I’m guessing he used black headlight surround because at the time there were no correct grey ones. Subsequently Auto Atlanta has them. They’ve been producing a lot of more rare and needed restoration parts in recent years.

The funniest part of the conversation with the guy who restored the car is that he watched the auction and saw the nitpicks that George had about the car including the "cheap" carpet, wrong decals, etc. He bought all of those parts from him. I'm just going to address preventative mechanical stuff like old fuel lines and drive the thing.

That’s hilarious. You definitely have to pick and choose what you buy from him. He mass produces a lot of B grade stuff.

Agreed, but also sold us a couple of full NOS carpets sets… I hear the upstairs stash is deep.

A110 Alpine, great car. I take it the "south" is not in the U.S.

914-6
 

Couple funny “coincidences”….
White but originally orange…….ka Ching!
Jelly bean colors most desirable (but everyone has their preference)
Cool engine ……
Obviously non matching which hits valuations but who cares IF it’s a keeper.
Like “happy ending”….re: cars.
Have fun….