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Matt Monson 01-16-2019 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by 93097004xx (Post 10318691)
Please educate yourself.

I speak only of the facts.

Kill the messenger right??

Car & Driver 1986 clearly states over and over the 86 930 is no 79 930..

There are a number of these articles I’m prepared to upload if it needed.

Please read,learn grow the porsche hobby!

https://porsche930pdf.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/img_20171127_0001.pdf

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You don't even know which part of your rubbish I am refuting, yet you tell me to educate myself. There's just so much there that you spout off about it's really quite hard to pick a place to start.

To your 79 versus 86 argument? Yes, they are different cars, and the market values them accordingly. According to Hagerty, average value of an 86 is nearly 20% higher than your dear 79. A 79 is no 76-77. It's totally a different car and value. You desperately want to think that you've picked the big winner, that 79 is the end all year for 930s and you have a near perfect one. Go back to waxing your car and not washing it. You're ignorant and beyond educating.

93097004xx 01-16-2019 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo (Post 10318708)
That Car and Driver article is pure fantasy (or as MountainMan would say, "rubbish"), that is obviously written by someone who is ill informed.


Would like to see the road&track article or maybe the motor trend?




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93097004xx 01-16-2019 07:59 AM
Recession sink values????
 
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Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 10318715)
You don't even know which part of your rubbish I am refuting, yet you tell me to educate myself. There's just so much there that you spout off about it's really quite hard to pick a place to start.



To your 79 versus 86 argument? Yes, they are different cars, and the market values them accordingly. According to Hagerty, average value of an 86 is nearly 20% higher than your dear 79. A 79 is no 76-77. It's totally a different car and value. You desperately want to think that you've picked the big winner, that 79 is the end all year for 930s and you have a near perfect one. Go back to waxing your car and not washing it. You're ignorant and beyond educating.


Well.. If you really believe a 86 is more collectible than a 78/79..

I submit to you that the highest selling prices in the 930 market have been pristine 78/79s..

We are definitely in phase were there simple aren’t that many condition 1,2 78/79s left. I can assure you pristine examples of 78/79 930s will command premiums over the pristine examples of the later examples.

The earliest of any model are always the most desirable.

I can say that there have been next to zero condition 1 or 2 78/79 930s on the auction circuit for at least 36 months. Which speaks to scarcity and the current hagerty results.







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93097004xx 01-16-2019 08:07 AM
I still would very much like to discuss the differences of early vs later 3.3s.

Both the mechanical differences as well as the driving dynamics that are different.


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specialtyoneinc 01-16-2019 08:15 AM
Back to the market. Can we all agree that the 1978 is the least sought after 930 year.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-porsche-930-turbo-9/

Matt Monson 01-16-2019 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by specialtyoneinc (Post 10318753)
Back to the market. Can we all agree that the 1978 is the least sought after 930 year.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-porsche-930-turbo-9/
Are you really bringing data into it? Can't we just stick to feelings?

93097004xx 01-16-2019 08:23 AM
Recession sink values????
 
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Originally Posted by specialtyoneinc (Post 10318753)
Back to the market. Can we all agree that the 1978 is the least sought after 930 year.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-porsche-930-turbo-9/


I see you want to start throwing stones..

By the way that 78 was a very unfortunate color with a very poor repaint overspray all over the decals and a poorly fitting finder..

Yes that was about $20,000 light though..

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1979-porsche-930-turbo-13/


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JMS935 01-16-2019 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo (Post 10318708)
That Car and Driver article is pure fantasy (or as MountainMan would say, "rubbish"), that is obviously written by someone who is ill informed.
As many of these articles are, but unfortunately some people take them as the holy grail without doing their own homework.

93097004xx 01-16-2019 08:37 AM
That is not the only magazine that speaks to this BY FAR..


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93097004xx 01-16-2019 08:41 AM
Recession sink values????
 
I have drove a 87 930 and a 89 930.

Yes different trans..

Neither deliver boost like a early 3.3.

That simple.

The truth.

Why later 3.3 guys can’t understand or refuse I’m not sure.

Even when it’s in print right in front of you.

30 years ago..


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JMS935 01-16-2019 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 93097004xx (Post 10318782)
That is not the only magazine that speaks to this BY FAR..


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Ok. I’ll get myself edumacated then, my bad. Calling out Matt on his lack of knowlege, though, that is frickin hilarious! He’s the closest thing we’ve got to a Porsche encyclopedia on this forum.

1979-930 01-16-2019 08:49 AM
IMO. The 78-79 is a better car if someone wants a driver to modify.
Bigger displacement, intercooler, better brakes and no dam Lambda.
I dig the fully analog turbo and fuel injection system. Tweaking it is a PIA and I love the challenge.

930XX is obsessed with the 78-79 and wants them to be more valuable because of the improvements over the 76-77 so badly that he is blind to the market results. He is irrational and the discussion is pointless.
Someday others may view them as more valuable, but that day is not today.

dwelle 01-16-2019 08:54 AM
930xxx, for the love of god, please quit reading opinionated articles about cars and pontificating on things with others who are far beyond your level of knowledge and expertise.

you spend far more time on here bloviating about your beloved 930 than you ever will driving the damn thing.

put the keyboard down. go for a drive...

1979-930 01-16-2019 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by dwelle (Post 10318808)
930xxx, for the love of god, please quit reading opinionated articles about cars and pontificating on things with others who are far beyond your level of knowledge and expertise.

you spend far more time on here bloviating about your beloved 930 than you ever will driving the damn thing.

put the keyboard down. go for a drive...
Ha! I'll make you a bet. If that happens you quit sending me invoices. :D

Rawknees'Turbo 01-16-2019 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by 93097004xx (Post 10318790)
I have drove a 87 930 and a 89 930.

Yes different trans..

Neither deliver boost like a early 3.3.

That simple.

The truth.

Why later 3.3 guys can’t understand or refuse I’m not sure.

Even when it’s in print right in front of you.

30 years ago..


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The "deliver boost" part is all in your head, if you are referring to your Euro 1979 versus a US 1987 - same turbocharger, same exhaust (minus the CAT on the 87, which most have removed at this point), same ignition system (minus controls for emissions related, cold engine operation), same WUR (controls fuel head fuel pressures), same rear wheel diameter (although the 87 rear wheels are 1" wider, so a little heavier), and same displacement. A US 1979 has much worse boost delivery due to the horrendous header design used to comply with emissions regs.

ShopCat 01-16-2019 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by 1979-930 (Post 10318610)
Some of you are forgetting about the whole Fast and Furious generation. The movies created a bunch of younger car guys from my son's age of 15 to their 30s.
I agree the percentage of people into cars may be lower. But population is larger and the overall number is not that low.
Like Matt said there are a lot of young guys at C&C events. I get complements on my car all the time from kids 20 and under. But they are where I was at 20. They cannot afford a Porsche. They play around with imports and whatever they have.
The cars are half done projects and beaters. But every one of those cars you chuckle at has a car guy driving it. And he dreams of something cooler and faster when he can afford it.
Just like the rest of us did.
If the housing market continues its rise, younger people wont ever be able to afford these kinds of hobby cars. I'm on the young(ish) side, and the roof over my head comes first. Though I know a few guys who have that part backwards... I know few people my age that own their home, and its close to concerning at this point.

nathanbs 01-16-2019 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 93097004xx (Post 10318734)
Well.. If you really believe a 86 is more collectible than a 78/79..

I submit to you that the highest selling prices in the 930 market have been pristine 78/79s..

The earliest of any model are always the most desirable.

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I can confidently say that this is only partially true. Almost all car makes and models go through a phase where for a certain period of time the model year with the highest performance and technology but yet retaining the same body style will be of the highest popularity and value. Simply put, looks the same but drives way better, faster, brakes better, etc. I can distinctly remember when a '58 speedster was worth quite a bit more than a '55 speedster but now that everyone has moved on to garaging their 356 and driving their 911 this concept no longer applies and the oldest MY is worth the most.

pmax 01-16-2019 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo (Post 10318832)
The "deliver boost" part is all in your head, if you are referring to your Euro 1979 versus a US 1987 - same turbocharger, same exhaust (minus the CAT on the 87, which most have removed at this point), same ignition system (minus controls for emissions related, cold engine operation), same WUR (controls fuel head fuel pressures), same rear wheel diameter (although the 87 rear wheels are 1" wider, so a little heavier), and same displacement. A US 1979 has much worse boost delivery due to the horrendous header design used to comply with emissions regs.
Raw, Raw,

79, 87, blah, blah these technical superiority debates in a marketplace forum are hilarious when at the end of the day they are all ancient tech, granny turbo's.

Read what 930 is saying.

Each model stands on its own. The technical merits has nothing to do with the desirability ......... I present the 356 , case closed.

Rawknees'Turbo 01-16-2019 10:39 AM
^^^

Ha ha - yes, very old tech that is laughable by modern standards (the fuel system was even laughable at the time - Porsche still using CIS on Turbos well into the 90s, when Motronic was available), butt that said, I am not one to let misinformation slide when I see it posted, pNutz.

pmax 01-16-2019 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo (Post 10318954)
^^^

Ha ha - yes, very old tech that is laughable by modern standards (the fuel system was even laughable at the time - Porsche still using CIS on Turbos well into the 90s, when Motronic was available),
Some would even say it's caveman tech :D:D:D

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butt that said, I am not one to let misinformation slide when I see it posted, pNutz.
Missed the point.

Here's what 930 said "Neither deliver boost like a early 3.3."

Your previous post says the same.


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