Price check 1970 911S targa non match w Clr ch
 

Hello all,
Covering my bases on this site and early S reg.
I am looking for opinions in the current market.
I have a completely restored, gorgeous and period correct 911 S Targa
Non matching engine but from a 70 S and all S components. Its an S engine just does not match COA
Color change, show quality paint
New interior, all period correct down to the Blaupunkt.
Perfect in every way

Whats it worth? Please discuss.

Regards,

Steve

Steve please post pictures.

Sorry Bud
No can do. I do not want my vehicle bandied about all over the internet. Suffice it to say its an attractive color combo with zero miles on a professional restoration. I am just seeking opinions of what the hit is for non matching and a color change. The car is an "S" in every way its just the engine does not match the COA. And I changed the color to something that I like from that era.
Regards, Steve

The reason you are getting very few answers to your question is that we have nothing to go on.

With the limited information you surrendered, which is a car with non-matching numbers, anywhere between $75K and $220K. At this point I'd pick a number in between because again, we have nothing to go on except that it has 1) The wrong engine, and it's 2) in the wrong color. Take at least $100K off.

Most 911Ts in this country from that era are "S"s in every way as you say - except the engine, which is a T. Most Ts had the S package. So with your non-matching, it's going to take a hit - bigtime.

Thats a 50% hit. Ouch.
Its an "S" engine from that year just not per the COA
Its a color from 1970 for the 911's
Its a 911S per its vin numbers on the tub, latch panel and A pillar and COA
Its bloody gorgeous
A discount like that seems a bit harsh
911 T's out number "S" cars 4 to one
This whole matching numbers thing is rediculous
Wow

It's not that all cars need to be numbers matching, I think the guidance you are being given is that a car with matching #'s is higher $$. Probably an accurate estimate of a 40 -50% hit

Some colors demand or at least some folks are willing to pay more for.. the color of your car is a secret so we cannot factor that into an estimated value.

I think many of us have seen money poured into a " restoration" that the owner loves and thinks it's the best car in the world but our eyes see things the owner doesn't. If someone is going to pay 200 for a car they or at least I would want it as it left the factory. No incorrect parts ( bolts, washers, wire, decals, carpet, headliner etc) and are they original parts, original refurbished, NOS or reproduction parts, colors of materials etc. All this needs to be known for an accurate valuation.

That's my.,02 My comments aren't to slam your car but without more info and photos it's an estimate of 75-???K car.

Daniel Schmitt has probably one of the nicest 1970 911S coupes for sale in the world right now at $239K - no one is touching it.

He has another '73 S that is matching numbers going for $169K - no one is touching it.

There is a green one for sale that is all matching, and looks very nice (a '70 S) that no one is touching at $150K on eBay.

My feeling is, that you are well aware, that a '70 S is desirable to collectors. Collectors require correct paint and corrent drive trains. It does not matter that it is a '70 S motor that's not from your car.

Frankly you would probably be lucky to get $100-$125K in this market.

The only thing I can tell you is - are you sure it's not the correct engine? The COA should be taken with a grain of salt - they are known for egregious and glaring errors.

I appreciate that Gentlemen. And I am aware that the market is soft right now. I just take exception to the whole numbers matching as delivered thing.
My position is and has been for 35 years since my first 911 purchase: what does it matter?
I realize that collector cars are worth X because of all the originality etc... And I realize there is a deduction for not as delivered. But surely there is value in vintage and as could have been delivered same lump of metal , something you can actually drive and enjoy.
Just my 2c
Regards

I am a Targa man and forgot yours was a Targa. There is a hit for this too - though I prefer Targas most collectors do not. A coupe will always win, hence the bigger money.

Numbers matching very much matters if you want all the money. If you do not want all the money, then it doesn't matter, to the tune of tens and tens of thousands less.

Here's my opinion. Get a professional photographer to put together a 100+ photo series of your car, including details of the underside taken with the car on a lift. List your car on Bring a Trailer. Then you'll get opinions about what it's worth. No telling how you'll do there. The peanut gallery is a fickle bunch. But you'll learn something and you may even get a good price for your car.

Without pictures it’s hard to be sure. That said, I put a 70s chassis around $75k and a 70s engine complete around $25k. Put them together and it’s a $100-120k car. Lack of numbers matching is a $50k hit or so.

Steve,

I think you're taking exception to the numbers matching part because it's your car. Someone in the market for a S is going to want numbers matching, They are going to want the original color, And it's a Targa. I'll ignore that and pretend it's a coupe.
With both of those items having issues you have a driver level car. For a buyer, like me, that is great. For a seller that is not great.

I personally would not pay over $100k for a color change, non matching, targa. The S just makes it a conversation piece.
Someone may pay $30k more, But that would be max IMO.

As others have said, an S car is a collector car. Run of the mill buyers who want a long hood are perfectly satisfied with a T.

As a collector car, S cars are far more scrutinized, and anything non-original kills the value. In other words, the hit to value as a % of selling price for non-originality is higher for an S than for a T. It's all down to the peculiar tastes of collectors.

As others have said, it’s your car so you want the most out of it and you have a higher opinion of it because of that attachment. A buyer looking for an S isn’t going to drool over a targa with a color change and a non original engine. Sure, it will sell but with deductions because of those 3 issues.

Can you at least divulge what the original color was and what the color is now?

You have to have a high net worth to be purchasing a number/color correct S even with the slight pullback. And as noted earlier, they aren’t moving. I’m happier with my 69e all number/color correct, with S upgrades to the engine. It will move like an S, be completely matching the coa, at a fraction of S money.

All good points. And for the record I prefer coupe's as well. I am fortunate to own two. An 86 and 13 C4S. But these early cars do look very good in a targa inmho. The market is soft and now is def. not the time to sell unless necessary. I just find the analysis interesting.
I'm not sure I agree with being happy with a T as opposed to an S. Pretty different experiences.
Once again, I do not want my car bandied about the cyberspace in terms of colors etc.. Its beside the point and please do not ask.
This was meant as an exercise in what perceived deductions would be for the non match engine along with color change. Nothing more.
As far as attachment. I like owning them, but I also like shuffling the deck once in a while with new or different rides. After all thats why we partake in this madness after all.. isn't it?

You asked value. Color influences value. It could be worth another 10-30% if it was te right color, even if it isn’t anymore. Maybe you don’t care. Your response just stifles the discussion and gets you less feedback.

No pictures. No color divulged. Why even start a thread asking questions to value? Seems like a waste of time to ask a question that there is no answer to.

Ok, put the gun down geez. This isn't BAT
I capitulate.
Colors Signal yellow with black. Recaro sport seat replicas in black leather with houndstooth inserts. Salt and pepper carpet. All period correct. Pretty sexy if I must say so.